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I have known of hundreds of people who became programmers in industry with only high school diploma and certification or experience. The requirement for a bachelor's degree developed years later.
The same thing happened in nursing.
And one day it may require a bachelor's degree to be an electrician. So? That's just the education industry expanding its base.
Hope you didn't insult her if she had a college degree.
No not at all I helped him take the step to go to college, I supported him through it and I couldn't be more proud of him for finishing. He really wanted to be a teacher and I'm glad I could help him realize his dream.
I'm not anti college at all. No idea where you got that idea.
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You seem intent on insulting anyone who pursued one.
Insulting anybody was never my intention.
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You wouldn't be welcome as a friend of mine randomly spouting your unfounded, incorrect, offensive opinions. My wife has a PhD and is a brilliant and successful woman. Anyone who dared insult her in such fashion in my presence would not leave in healthy condition.
it's clear you are insulted. That wasn't my intent.
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Most people are going to be inside the bell curve for whatever they do.
Well a film graduate might get into the entertainment business and hit it big as a director, editor, whatever. More of a shot than someone off the street with no education trying to be a film editor.
The isn't a lot of demand for that skill so most likely they'll both have to do something else.
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No one thinks that anyone is going to "write a 600k check." That is nonsense.
I have known of hundreds of people who became programmers in industry with only high school diploma and certification or experience. The requirement for a bachelor's degree developed years later.
The same thing happened in nursing.
And one day it may require a bachelor's degree to be an electrician. So? That's just the education industry expanding its base.
What happened in the past happened in the past. We still have a fair number of programming jobs that don't require degrees but those jobs tend to be limited, often very limited.
The same thing is happening in nursing.
My MIL was a big city ER nurse supervisor for a very long time with a high school diploma, Army nursing career and a bunch of OJT - those days are over.
Yea. But that's a tough path. A guy I know did it all the way to co-pilot and finally captain for AA - he made McDonald's wages flying regional for years.
2. My wife is CIO over a large IT shop. Everyone except a couple of guys who work PC-Helpdesk have degrees.......degreed programmers are absolutely not trades people. That's revisionism on the part of big labor and political leftists.
3. Currently most RNs get there via BS-Nusrsing degrees.
4. Your television engineer buddy is an engineer in name only. That kind of thing is common most "software engineers", "sound engineers" etc. are not degreed and licensed engineers.
5. As noted above my son is an MD. One of his UG majors is in physics......that's as technical as it gets and his area of medicine is absurdly technical..........is he a tradesperson?
The USBL says the typical entry level educational requirement for beginning programmers is a bachelors degree......that's not a trade.
2) Programming is a technical degree. You are going to have a difficult time explaining how a technical degree indicates that you aren't in a trade.
3)I don't know much about nursing, this I don't talk about it.
4) To snobs perhaps. He sure does get paid like one. So the difference may mean something to you but I'm not sure it means anything in reality.
5)I wouldn't consider any bachelors degree as a technical degree. Such educational paths involve having minors, various credits in unrelated studies and greater core classes.
I would consider a technical degree one that involves education in a specific technology. Like an AAS
I would agree that computer programming--basic coding--should be considered a trade. It pretty much is a trade in terms of technical training and certification. Regardless of degrees that certification or commensurate experience is a requirement and continual skills updating is a requirement...but the real benefit of a bachelor's degree to coding ability is questionable.
I certainly wouldn't disparage anybody who wanted a BS in programming. I just don't think it's necessary
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Back in the 70s, the US military pounded hundreds of high school graduates through programming school. Their management were college graduates, but the people doing the coding were high school graduates with programming certification.
I would consider a trade to be a career that is more interested in skill than education.
People seem to think one replaces the other. I don't agree.
What happened in the past happened in the past. We still have a fair number of programming jobs that don't require degrees but those jobs tend to be limited, often very limited.
The same thing is happening in nursing.
My MIL was a big city ER nurse supervisor for a very long time with a high school diploma, Army nursing career and a bunch of OJT - those days are over.
Programming jobs typically require technical degrees which is a trade thing.
I don't know where you got this idea that there is no such thing as technical degrees for trades. I actually have three of them.
Programming jobs typically require technical degrees which is a trade thing.
I don't know where you got this idea that there is no such thing as technical degrees for trades. I actually have three of them.
Sure there are technical degrees for trades. BS computer science and the like as minimum educational standards for most programming jobs as per USBL are not a technical degrees in the sense you are using the word.
2) Programming is a technical degree. You are going to have a difficult time explaining how a technical degree indicates that you aren't in a trade.
3)I don't know much about nursing, this I don't talk about it.
4) To snobs perhaps. He sure does get paid like one. So the difference may mean something to you but I'm not sure it means anything in reality.
5)I wouldn't consider any bachelors degree as a technical degree. Such educational paths involve having minors, various credits in unrelated studies and greater core classes.
I would consider a technical degree one that involves education in a specific technology. Like an AAS
1. People in trades in the aggregate make less than those with BS degrees.
2. No. Computer science etc. are not technical degrees as you are using the term.
3. Fair enough.
4. Snobbery has little to do with it. A TV engineer isn't a licensed engineer.
5. No idea what you mean. Is my son a trade worker?
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