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Old 04-23-2021, 03:27 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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This is not the answer.

As I’ve written about many times on this forum, I have two children.

My oldest has an IQ in the low 130s. He also has 3 learning disabilities. When he was in one of the best districts in DFW, he had to take the same math classes as all the neurotypical kids, until he finally got the dyscalculia diagnosis and was able to be moved down to special ed in math.

I realize that this is an unpopular opinion, but many kids do not need to learn very advanced math. They need more practical math: percentages, and compound interest, and metrics and fractions, etc. All are more useful than graphing linear equations. Offer more personal finance classes, math for business classes, basic economics. Teach about paying taxes and the stock market and 401Ks and what credit card debt can do....teach what actually improves people’s lives.

Meanwhile, my daughter (who actually has a slightly lower IQ than my son) excels in math and across the board academically. She should not be held back. I’m thankful she was able to skip a grade in math when we moved recently. The challenge has been good for her. She is considering an engineering pathway.

Why do schools keep trying to mandate an equality of outcome?
The same reason the government enacts laws to mandate equality of outcome.

It's not happening by itself so they make laws to force it to happen, one way or another.
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Old 04-23-2021, 03:32 PM
 
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-...courses-equity


If we had been Virginians this would have sent us packing as our son took calculus in 8th, daughter in 9th.


What a terrible idea.

In the name of equity.......let's punish achievers.

The Chinese are laughing at us.
The Chinese are getting what they paid for when they bought the election.
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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What amazes me (well, actually that's not true) is how these threads will appear, on different "crazy" ideas, and very, very often I don't see even one person defending the subject.

Could it possibly be that there is no one who posts on City-Data who can defend such policies?
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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It could be worse. You could be in Oregon. Now getting the right answers in math is racist.
https://www.citizensjournal.us/state...ite-supremacy/
And to point out what was at the bottom of the link (quote, my italics):

"Kupelian noted that Rutgers University recently determined that speaking and writing English correctly is also racist. The school’s English department is altering its grammar standards to “stand with and respond” to the Black Lives Matter movement and emphasize “social justice” and “critical grammar” over correct spelling and grammar."
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Seriously???!!

At age 67, I am SO glad that I won't be around 50 years from now -- and I shudder to think what the U.S. will be like 25 years from now -- or even ten -- or five!
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:32 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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What amazes me (well, actually that's not true) is how these threads will appear, on different "crazy" ideas, and very, very often I don't see even one person defending the subject.

Could it possibly be that there is no one who posts on City-Data who can defend such policies?
IDK, there was a thread a year or two ago that said no one deserves a HS diploma if they can’t pass a certain level of math. Algebra 2 maybe?


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And to point out what was at the bottom of the link (quote, my italics):

"Kupelian noted that Rutgers University recently determined that speaking and writing English correctly is also racist. The school’s English department is altering its grammar standards to “stand with and respond” to the Black Lives Matter movement and emphasize “social justice” and “critical grammar” over correct spelling and grammar."
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Seriously???!!

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I’ve also written about how I was an English professor. For a year or two I taught basic grammar at a community college outside of Marietta. I will always remember a young black woman I taught there, when the grammar clicked for her. She understood it for the first time. Her writing and speaking improved greatly and she was so proud of herself because she sounded educated and intelligent. I still have the thank you card she gave me.
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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I’ve also written about how I was an English professor. For a year or two I taught basic grammar at a community college outside of Marietta. I will always remember a young black woman I taught there, when the grammar clicked for her. She understood it for the first time. Her writing and speaking improved greatly and she was so proud of herself because she sounded educated and intelligent. I still have the thank you card she gave me.
Oh, now THAT is a something to cherish forever!
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:53 PM
 
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Part of the change is driven by the fact the SOL's in VA are going to change in 2023. The way we teach math is flawed; for most students its useless to teach every student the same thing no matter what they see their career path is. This changes that failure and career clusters will enable students to focus on what is relevant to their careers. Someone not going to college, but entering a trade needs a different focus than someone who is going to university. Someone who wants to study business in college will need a focus different than someone who wants to be a physicist. These changes address that.

Really, does someone in HS really need fractal geometry if they want to be an accountant? On the other hand, if someone wants to be a meteorologist, they do. This plan lets them have more relevant courses. The student on an accountant trajectory most likely would benefit from advanced arithmetic than calculus.

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Old 04-23-2021, 04:58 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Part of the change is driven by the fact the SOL's in VA are going to change in 2023. The way we teach math is flawed; for most students its useless to teach every student the same thing no matter what they see their career path is. This changes that failure and career clusters will enable students to focus on what is relevant to their careers. Someone not going to college, but entering a trade needs a different focus than someone who is going to university. Someone who wants to study business in college will need a focus different than someone who wants to be a physicist. These changes address that.
Schools used to be like that though. Then they changed so that every student was on a college path.
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Old 04-23-2021, 05:19 PM
 
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Our skoolz got a bad case of the stoopids. The USA is doomed.
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Old 04-23-2021, 05:44 PM
 
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Part of the change is driven by the fact the SOL's in VA are going to change in 2023. The way we teach math is flawed; for most students its useless to teach every student the same thing no matter what they see their career path is. This changes that failure and career clusters will enable students to focus on what is relevant to their careers. Someone not going to college, but entering a trade needs a different focus than someone who is going to university. Someone who wants to study business in college will need a focus different than someone who wants to be a physicist. These changes address that.

Really, does someone in HS really need fractal geometry if they want to be an accountant? On the other hand, if someone wants to be a meteorologist, they do. This plan lets them have more relevant courses. The student on an accountant trajectory most likely would benefit from advanced arithmetic than calculus.
I have little to no issue with any of that. The problem is advanced math options will be severely limited.
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