Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-13-2022, 07:29 PM
 
15,595 posts, read 15,650,878 times
Reputation: 21968

Advertisements

The New York Times did an entire newspaper section on the question of "What is school for?" with essays contributed on a dozen different subjects

This particular person, Bryan Caplan, thinks that school is mostly pointless. Among other things, it doesn't seem to have crossed his mind that a major thing that school does is introduce kids to areas that may go on to interest them. It's worth noting that the author is a university professor, so clearly he benefitted by schooling.

I totally disagree with him but thought it might be of interest.


School Is for Wasting Time and Money
I have deep doubts about the intellectual and social value of schooling. My argument in a nutshell: First, everyone leaves school eventually. Second, most of what you learn in school doesn’t matter after graduation. Third, human beings soon forget knowledge they rarely use.
When schools shuttered, they stopped performing their sole undeniably valuable function: providing day care. In-person schooling allows parents to work full-time without distraction. In-person schooling allows parents to take care of infants and elders. In-person schooling allows parents to finish their household chores. And in-person schooling allows parents to relax.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/o...knowledge.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-13-2022, 08:08 PM
 
12,101 posts, read 17,083,796 times
Reputation: 15771
A lot of life is just kinda ... going through the motions.

I'm actually quite lucky that I found something I'm quite passionate about. Unfortunately, I discovered it a bit late, and the way my parents raised me ... it's was not conducive to risk taking. In retrospect, I should have just gone for it.

But for many/most people they never find a passion, and the goal is to make as much money as possible while working the least amount of hours possible.

In that sense, education is part of the status quo for the lemmings, you could say. It separates people competitively and places them in various day jobber careers. It keeps people rowing the oars, churning the windmill, etc. Education also keeps tons of people employed.

People who are really exceptional don't need formal education ... like a pro tennis player who is home schooled, etc. I don't have an issue with K-12. The emphasis could be different, and the days could be shorter. But...

One big change that could really benefit society is that college education and careers could be less ageist. That could allow people to enter new careers more easily. I think that would help.

Last edited by jobaba; 09-13-2022 at 08:19 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-13-2022, 08:48 PM
 
17,600 posts, read 17,629,777 times
Reputation: 25655
Personal belief. Schools in USA need a big reform. First, get rid of regulations that prevent school faculty from more quickly removing problem students. Second, make it easier for school faculty to fail and hold back students that fail, especially in elementary grade levels where holding back doesn’t effect them as negatively. Activist teachers and teachers unions seem more focused on pushing their agenda on students instead of teaching the assigned lessons. No student should be moving from elementary school to middle school while still unable to read at even a 3rd grade level. No student should be graduating from middle school to high school without knowing the basics of the US Government and US History as well as a certain level of math, reading, and science. Sadly far too many graduate barely able to read, cannot name the three branches of the US government and give a basic explanation of each branch, and don’t understand the US Constitution and Bill of Rights is to protect the citizens by setting on the US Government.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2022, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY
1,962 posts, read 1,815,321 times
Reputation: 3542
Quote:
Originally Posted by victimofGM View Post
Sadly far too many graduate barely able to read, cannot name the three branches of the US government and give a basic explanation of each branch, and don’t understand the US Constitution and Bill of Rights is to protect the citizens by setting on the US Government.
This is nothing new. I know plenty of old(er) people who have no clue how the government works. Sure you can blame the school but at some point you have to put a large portion of the blame on the individual.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2022, 06:34 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
27,549 posts, read 28,630,498 times
Reputation: 25116
School is mainly a ritualistic thing.

Most people have to go through the motions of school to get a good job after they are done with it.

For purposes of education, however, school is very incomplete.

Actual education is something you must do on your own outside of the confines of schooling.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2022, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
8,053 posts, read 7,419,522 times
Reputation: 16310
If children are not working on farms, in factories, and in mines they need to be in school. Otherwise they'd just be running wild mugging people and stealing stuff. So in that respect school is not a waste of time and money for society.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2022, 06:58 AM
 
6,985 posts, read 7,040,555 times
Reputation: 4357
Quote:
Originally Posted by jobaba View Post
A lot of life is just kinda ... going through the motions.

I'm actually quite lucky that I found something I'm quite passionate about. Unfortunately, I discovered it a bit late, and the way my parents raised me ... it's was not conducive to risk taking. In retrospect, I should have just gone for it.

But for many/most people they never find a passion, and the goal is to make as much money as possible while working the least amount of hours possible.

In that sense, education is part of the status quo for the lemmings, you could say. It separates people competitively and places them in various day jobber careers. It keeps people rowing the oars, churning the windmill, etc. Education also keeps tons of people employed.

People who are really exceptional don't need formal education ... like a pro tennis player who is home schooled, etc. I don't have an issue with K-12. The emphasis could be different, and the days could be shorter. But...

One big change that could really benefit society is that college education and careers could be less ageist. That could allow people to enter new careers more easily. I think that would help.
What is the passion that you found? I thought that you were a civil engineer and not very passionate about it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2022, 07:25 AM
 
12,101 posts, read 17,083,796 times
Reputation: 15771
Quote:
Originally Posted by mitsguy2001 View Post
What is the passion that you found? I thought that you were a civil engineer and not very passionate about it.
Music. I play various types of music and have done so for 25+ years.

I have a degree in Civil Engineering. That has always been about trying to find various degrees of a more interesting, less punishing day job. Not a passion.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2022, 07:51 AM
 
344 posts, read 144,251 times
Reputation: 522
School is a tool, nothing more. In itself it is useless. Only knowledge applied means wisdom.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2022, 09:11 AM
 
6,985 posts, read 7,040,555 times
Reputation: 4357
Quote:
Originally Posted by jobaba View Post
Music. I play various types of music and have done so for 25+ years.

I have a degree in Civil Engineering. That has always been about trying to find various degrees of a more interesting, less punishing day job. Not a passion.
I am guessing that you are not making money as a musician, and you are still working as a civil engineer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:39 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top