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Old 11-01-2022, 12:53 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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[quote=jtab4994;64373085]The fact that most of the GOP leadership, including Ron DeSantis and the Orange Lord himself, have degrees from Ivy schools should tell you that they know what they're talking about, regarding the Ivy's being Leftist.

That being said, there is a longstanding tradition of house workers being resented by field workers. That did not start with the MAGA movement, and it won't end after the MAGA movement gives way to the next movement.[/QUOTE

True. What does the GOP choose for themselves? Their children? What hypocrisy!

That said this antipathy is as old as dirt. For the baby boomers who graduated from HS in the 1960s, it was about the Vietnam war. And there was something to that. The wealthy could always figure out a way to get out.

My generation? People who liked Disco got jobs after high school. Or smoked a ton of weed, sat in their parent's basement listening to the Beatles and the Stones as though all new music sucked. Boys got jobs through their parents, with the town, the docks, or the post office, and didn't make enough money to move out. When they did, they were evicted, and moved so they developed bad attitudes. Justifiably bad. Girls did a little better. Tried community college, but to be fair, our community college wasn't even in our community. It was an hour away. Some went to high priced vocational schools, learned medical assisting, lab tech, or computers skills which were no good as soon as they graduated. None of those assistant jobs paid enough for a studio apartment.

They got married and moved into an apartment. Couldn't pay the rent. Moved back home. Fought. Got kicked out for fighting. Moved into another apartment, and the same thing happened.

Their parents looked at - those who went away to college, when we visited, - as though WE were the "pot heads" and drunks. Mostly blue collar townies, they they stuck together and defended their kids lifestyles. My guess is their parents were afraid of college. Afraid it would change their children. About that, they were right.

Those of us who went to college got sick of the snide comments, and little by little we drifted apart.

This is a social rift that will never heal. I have no answer. My millenial son has a good friend from HS who still lives with his parents at 26. I get the feeling his mother likes her youngest boy at home.

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Old 11-01-2022, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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True. What does the GOP choose for themselves? Their children? What hypocrisy!
OK, but to be fair, the Democrats rail against millionaires and billionaires, but still accept donations from same, and choose personal wealth for themselves and their children. Hypocrisy is bipartisan.

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That said this antipathy is as old as dirt. For the baby boomers who graduated from HS in the 1960s, it was about the Vietnam war. And there was something to that. The wealthy could always figure out a way to get out.
With the saber-rattling that's going on between the U.S. and Russia, I've told my younger son he's lucky he had "childhood asthma" so he can escape the draft like Biden did. My older son said he's choosing "bone spurs", as You-Know-Who supposedly had. Sticking with the bipartisan theme here.
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Old 11-01-2022, 07:46 AM
 
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I’m so sick of the “us against them” and “let’s one-up the other side” in US politics.

To my elected officials:

Pursue policies that do the most good for the most people in the most efficient way, minimizing costs and adverse effects.

If you’re seeking to simply punish the other side- such as the GOP did when it imposed taxes on Ivy Leage endowments- get lost and get a real job.
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Old 11-01-2022, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I’m so sick of the “us against them” and “let’s one-up the other side” in US politics.

To my elected officials:

Pursue policies that do the most good for the most people in the most efficient way, minimizing costs and adverse effects.

If you’re seeking to simply punish the other side- such as the GOP did when it imposed taxes on Ivy Leage endowments- get lost and get a real job.
Us versus Them is not a political issue, nor is the antipathy against the college educated by the non-college educated. All parties are run by house workers, yet they all covet the votes of field workers.
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Old 11-01-2022, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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For me, I never thought that college bestowed on me some kind of special powers and abilities. However, it does have a sort of conflation effect which I suppose was always the goal, since until recently the point of "general education" in college was preparation for socialization into the "leadership" or "ownership" class.

It also is more important mental training that I realized. Not any of the information per se. But the process of having to learn it and progressing harder every year. It's why I don't find many degrees "useless" because I think almost any degree proves that someone is capable of learning.

In my working life, what I have noticed is that the process you undergo in college is valuable. My view of most jobs is that, in theory, they can be done by anyone with a reasonably average IQ or higher. But every time I tried to hire someone without a degree for one that required one, I found that their ability to learn tasks and complete projects on their own was SERIOUSLY lacking. They could do it... ONLY IF I hand-held them the entire time. The independence factor was something that only VERY rare non-college graduates could do. Typically the kinds of people who were capable of graduating college but didn't because of some kind of mitigating circumstances.
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Old 11-01-2022, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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As equality is promoted in society, a natural reoccurring theme of late is looking down on those who are more fortunate. Envy and jealousy is now directed at the college educated, those who own a house, those with wealth, those who drive the new Tesla, that 6’2” Caucasian kid with nice teeth and blonde hair.

And what I find amazing is this new brand of hatred is not condemned. It’s now socially acceptable to loathe brains, good genes or achievements.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that if you want to promote one sub group, another subgroup must be marginalized to achieve equality.

The nail that sticks high must be hammered down. Sound familiar?
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Old 11-01-2022, 11:24 PM
 
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It's why I don't find many degrees "useless" because I think almost any degree proves that someone is capable of learning.
I think you're absolutely right about the level of education expected of a college graduate. It not only proves that someone is capable of learning, it also means that someone is able to demonstrate what they have learned to others. You research, learn, write/present, and are reviewed/critiqued over and over in varied disciplines until you master it.
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Old 11-02-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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Far too many people think of education as being some kind of training for a job, which is not really what it is for unless you are in trade school.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:35 PM
 
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This is not a political post.

Recent media reports of government proposed student loan debt forgiveness in my opinion seem to have unleashed a lot of antipathy toward college educated people collectively.

When I have written persuasive letters in the past quoting professors and subject matter experts with higher education degrees, those with no college education would sometimes respond with a "What do they know?" attitude" or "I don't need a professor" to tell me what to think" remark.

Has there for many years been an underlying antipathy toward the college educated from the non-college educated that was aggravated by the recently announced debt forgiveness plan?
If the government gave everyone a new home or car or TV, after you spend years struggling to paying your debts off, wouldn't you feel used?

I've paid my kids' undergrad bills and I paid off my student loans. Let me tell you, I feel used by student loan forgiveness.

Imagine if I knew I could never own a home or car or TV and yet, my taxes were paying for someone else' bills. It would feel terrible. Same for student loans. Many people couldn't afford to go to college - maybe they are working to help their parents, maybe they did badly in high school, or they just didn't have the opportunity to go and yet, are being asked to pay someone else way.

The antipathy between college educated and non-college educated is a class/social economic issue.
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Old 11-04-2022, 07:20 PM
 
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If the government gave everyone a new home or car or TV, after you spend years struggling to paying your debts off, wouldn't you feel used?

I've paid my kids' undergrad bills and I paid off my student loans. Let me tell you, I feel used by student loan forgiveness.

Imagine if I knew I could never own a home or car or TV and yet, my taxes were paying for someone else' bills. It would feel terrible. Same for student loans. Many people couldn't afford to go to college - maybe they are working to help their parents, maybe they did badly in high school, or they just didn't have the opportunity to go and yet, are being asked to pay someone else way.

The antipathy between college educated and non-college educated is a class/social economic issue.
I hear you. I paid quite a bit for my grandmother's cancer treatments and now there's a cure for that particular type of cancer and the government wants to cover the treatment for cancer patients. This cure shouldn't be made available because of all the people who had to pay for other more expensive treatments or even because of those who died. Btw, the research was partially funded by the government.

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