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11-15-2022, 02:59 PM
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What would be an example of a class that teaches and tests against Algebra 101 or English Composition?
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Algebra is a high school course. Typically in grades 8, 9, 10. (depending on curriculum). It needs to be out of the way BEFORE college admission. If for some reason you don't have algebra already completed before college you need to take remedial classes at the junior college. |
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11-15-2022, 05:16 PM
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Well Calc and most serious physics or chem courses would test if someone knew algebra for just a couple examples. If they didn't know it, they wouldn't last long.
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Right... the idea is to make sure people are prepared for the class before entering it... not have them fail out... |
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11-15-2022, 05:18 PM
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Algebra is a high school course. Typically in grades 8, 9, 10. (depending on curriculum). It needs to be out of the way BEFORE college admission. If for some reason you don't have algebra already completed before college you need to take remedial classes at the junior college.
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I agree that it's a high school course. I was just using the examples RPC324 gave. In fact, I'm used to seeing Algebra 1 being a middle school class. Either way, the point is that you can't just have people skip these classes and move onto calc or physics... |
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11-15-2022, 06:15 PM
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Algebra is a high school course. Typically in grades 8, 9, 10. (depending on curriculum). It needs to be out of the way BEFORE college admission. If for some reason you don't have algebra already completed before college you need to take remedial classes at the junior college.
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I just looked to be sure. The University of Texas has at least 4 algebra based gradate level courses and at least as many upper division undergrad classes within the math department alone. For certain it has algebra based physics, econometrics, and statistics as well.
https://catalog.utexas.edu/general-i...coursesatoz/m/ |
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11-15-2022, 06:44 PM
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Rather, what if we formalized the structure so that students could take a defined program in high school (defined so that it's common and accepted in all colleges) that meets their gen ed requirements. Someone can correct my here if I'm misunderstanding, but somewhat like the British "A levels". Upon successful completion of this program, those students would only need three years of college. Considering student debt, that's a huge savings.
It could also function as an incentive to students and parents: If you pass this program, college is only three years but if you don't pass this program, or just take regular classes, college will be four years.
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That would only further burden our lackluster school systems and increase the need for education funding. People complain enough about taxes and the government and you want to expand taxes?? |
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11-15-2022, 06:51 PM
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Location: State of Transition
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That would only further burden our lackluster school systems and increase the need for education funding. People complain enough about taxes and the government and you want to expand taxes??
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Maybe it's something that could be included in the schools with "International Baccalaureate" degrees, private schools, a special AP series in public schools, and the like. |
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11-15-2022, 07:25 PM
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I enjoy these discussions where proposals are thrown out suggesting programs be implemented that are already in place.
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11-15-2022, 10:51 PM
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Right... the idea is to make sure people are prepared for the class before entering it... not have them fail out...
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That's why you take algebra in high school. What is the point of retaking it in college as a gen ed? |
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11-15-2022, 10:57 PM
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That would only further burden our lackluster school systems and increase the need for education funding. People complain enough about taxes and the government and you want to expand taxes??
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Nahh. The courses are already there. My question is why have gen eds in college that duplicate what was taken in high school? What does gen ed English add that wasn't already taught? What does gen ed math add that wasn't already taught? And if they weren't taken in high school, why is the student in college?
At a time when students are facing high college costs and we're arguing over forgiving college loans, why do we insist our colleges require a year or more's worth of courses to duplicate high school? |
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11-16-2022, 07:57 AM
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Location: Sunnybrook Farm
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I just looked to be sure. The University of Texas has at least 4 algebra based gradate level courses and at least as many upper division undergrad classes within the math department alone. For certain it has algebra based physics, econometrics, and statistics as well.
https://catalog.utexas.edu/general-i...coursesatoz/m/ |
That's not 8th grade algebra "50/x = 25, what is x?
That's graduate level linear algebra, where "X" stands in for entire expressions. Similar to matrix math, where you do operations on matrices and then open out the matrix to what it consists of. So, multi-dimensional calculus operations applied to expressions which, themselves, are stand-ins for expressions. NOT the stuff of eighth grade algebra. |
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