Moms Against Libraries (SAT, state school, history, exam)

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Williepaws

"age appropriate" for who? that always reminds me of stereotyping. everyone has to obey the avg and not their own ability. there are plenty of children that are very mature for their age and many who are immature for their age. so lets punish all the children, instead of encouraging their development and then talking to them about the controversial book they read. Encourage the ones who are immature and help them advance. Public education today stinks!

Go back to my post #4.

[YorktownGal]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Just for the record, that is totally wrong.

Oops, I was wrong.

However, my parents & in-laws said their first color movie was Wizard of Oz. Snow White was made two years earlier than the Wizard of Oz. I know my mother and MIL saw it, but guess it made less of an impression. These old people and their stories! Just can't trust them!

Oddly, I don't see The Cather in the Rye, A Clockwork Orange, or Ulysses on the list. Why? Could it be that those books are not in the school library in the first place?

Nope, they are still in high school libraries. In some high schools, those are required reading. Those books are not in grammar/middle school libraries as they are a bit too advanced which is reasonable.

Originally Posted by jtab4994

My wife's aunt, who was a devout Catholic, raised her eyebrows about the Harry Potter books when we mentioned them to her. So I checked with our local Catholic pastor, and he told us that the first four books (only the first four had been published at the time) were fine, from the Church's point of view. Modern times, right? BTW all of the Harry Potter books were available in our kids' Catholic School library, and I read all 7 out loud to them. Starting with Book 4 they do take a dark turn, so younger avid readers might be encouraged to wait until they're 11 or 12 to read on their own.

Book banning and complaints about books are not new, not limited to Moms, and not limited to any political party.

My Catholic kids read Harry Potter and their Catholic schools had those books too. I really don't think it's all that much different from The Chronicles of Narnia.

You're right about your last sentence!

[jtab4994]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Don't get me wrong, any group that calls itself "Moms Against Libraries" ought to be sent to the looney bin for the name of the group alone.

Dude, come on. They don't call themselves that. It's a rhetorical device used by the author of the Mother Jones article.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by jtab4994

Dude, come on. They don't call themselves that. It's a rhetorical device used by the author of the Mother Jones article.

Okay dude, you're right. I thought that was the actual name of the group.

The actual name of the group is -- as I read it -- "Moms for Liberty". Just as ludicrous since they are the antithesis of that.

[jtab4994]

Just in: Librarians Against Libraries

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/ki...aith-kids-book

[victimofGM]

There was a news video of a parent at a school board meeting trying to read an explicit section of a book found in the elementary school library. The school board stopped the reading because children were present. If a book cannot be read aloud in a televised school board meeting then it does not belong in the elementary nor middle school library nor does it belong in the children’s section of public libraries.some of the book being included involve graphic description and drawings of different forms of sex, sometimes between adults and children. These aren’t like the clinical biology books on sex written in an age appropriate manner.

There are even teachers openly bragging on TikTok about providing such material to their students.
https://thepostmillennial.com/baltim...taxpayer-money

https://www.foxnews.com/media/califo...ty-development
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ta...hool-sex-book/
https://apnews.com/article/entertain...7a0ea4e1f8a016

[jtab4994]

Originally Posted by victimofGM

There was a news video of a parent at a school board meeting trying to read an explicit section of a book found in the elementary school library. The school board stopped the reading because children were present. If a book cannot be read aloud in a televised school board meeting then it does not belong in the elementary nor middle school library nor does it belong in the children’s section of public libraries.some of the book being included involve graphic description and drawings of different forms of sex, sometimes between adults and children. These aren’t like the clinical biology books on sex written in an age appropriate manner.

It's important to keep reiterating that these are school libraries for middle school and lower, that we are talking about.

Leftist rags like Mother Jones try to gin up hysteria by talking about book burning and book banning, like the Moms For Liberty are coming to your house with torches. But these are publicly funded school libraries at levels lower than high school.

[ElijahAstin]

Regarding This Book is Gay (the one discussed in the Snopes article that’s available in a public middle school library), my only concern would be discussions about hookup apps, unless the writer makes it extremely clear that these apps are not for minors and is just trying to provide more information so that children understand truth from fiction and learn more about the app scene for when they become adults.

I think the introduction to the chapter about gay sex makes some excellent points:

This chapter is about sex. Therefore it has sex in it. WELL, DUH. If you are a younger reader and you feel you aren't ready for the finer details of same-sex pairings, then simply skip this whole chapter.

HOWEVER, before you do, I'd like to remind you that we taught you all about straight sex when you were ELEVEN YEARS OLD during sixth grade. The fact that they didn't also teach you what same-sex couples do is nothing less than institutionalized homophobia. Straight sex was presented as the norm to make five percent of the population feel abnormal. Is there something icky about gay sex? Is there something wrong with it? I challenge any politician to discuss this with me. I WILL RUIN THEM.

This chapter is simply all the stuff teachers SHOULD be saying if they want to be inclusive of people with same-sex feelings.

I haven’t the slightest idea of what my son’s sexual preferences are, and as long as he’s safe and happy I don’t care one bit how those shake out. I have more emotion invested in whether he is left-handed and, sadly, it seems he’s destined to be a righty (but I’ll continue to love him anyway ). Whatever he turns out to be, I would much rather he learn the basics from a book than pure trial and error, out in the real world, in potentially dangerous situations.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by ElijahAstin

Regarding This Book is Gay (the one discussed in the Snopes article that’s available in a public middle school library), my only concern would be discussions about hookup apps, unless the writer makes it extremely clear that these apps are not for minors and is just trying to provide more information so that children understand truth from fiction and learn more about the app scene for when they become adults.

I think the introduction to the chapter about gay sex makes some excellent points:


I haven’t the slightest idea of what my son’s sexual preferences are, and as long as he’s safe and happy I don’t care one bit how those shake out. I have more emotion invested in whether he is left-handed and, sadly, it seems he’s destined to be a righty (but I’ll continue to love him anyway ). Whatever he turns out to be, I would much rather he learn the basics from a book than pure trial and error, out in the real world, in potentially dangerous situations.

My parents were too shy to talk to me about sex, so they bought me a book.

It's sad to be afraid of knowledge.

[Ceece]

No books would be threatened with a school library ban if book selections were done better in the first place. There's only room for so many books, so be selective. And by selective I mean keep it wholesome and age appropriate, that should be any schools go-to position. I don't see the point inviting major controversy no matter what, that's not the job of public schools no matter what anyone thinks.

And forget the argument that "for some kids it's the only place they can read/learn about xyz". So be it. If schools do their jobs those kids will learn how to educate themselves about anything they want. Schools don't exist to teach people all they need to know in life, they exist to prepare them to learn for the rest of their lives.