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Old 07-18-2023, 10:15 PM
 
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Focussing on the bigger picture, has public education's adaptation of Apple been good, bad, or mixed? Share your experiences.
I substitute-taught, years ago. In the middle of a lesson, BOOM, here comes the g-d tv in the classroom, fired-up remotely, sticking COMMERCIALS in kids' faces and giving them some pablum headline junk.

It's fecal, I tell you. FECAL.
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Old 07-19-2023, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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why would you care what they do? my children went to private school too. Different parents believe in different ways of educating their children. I always did what I thought best for mine. thats the only piece that counts.
This thread is about whether we think Apple (and by extension, all tech companies) are good for public K-12 education.

It is worth noting that the people who make Apple and other tech, don't let their kids use it in school.
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Old 07-19-2023, 07:46 AM
 
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I wonder what type of information is collected about each individual kid on govt issued devices?

Coupled with cell phone use at home/free time, I'd imagine the data collected quite substantive and 'useful'.
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Old 07-19-2023, 08:32 AM
 
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I think you missed the point. Wealthy, married, and well-educated executives in Silicon Valley send their kids to a private school that pointedly omits technology from the curriculum. At least in the elementary grades.

The parents may allow the kids to have devices at home, but they don't use them in school.

(partially paywalled NYT article linked below)
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/t...-can-wait.html
You’ve linked an article almost 12 years old. I am not sure how that is relevant today. Plus, the Waldorf school has a very specific methodology. There are Waldorf schools all over, not just there. My sister and husband live in SV and work there. Their kid goes to public school. I think it was fairly low tech, but when they had the pandemic he was only 5-7 and I just don’t know if it is a good idea to give a 5yo a school ipad.
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Old 07-19-2023, 08:32 AM
 
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I wonder what type of information is collected about each individual kid on govt issued devices?

Coupled with cell phone use at home/free time, I'd imagine the data collected quite substantive and 'useful'.
BINGO!

It's another way to collect information/data on students to sell.
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Old 07-19-2023, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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You’ve linked an article almost 12 years old. I am not sure how that is relevant today. Plus, the Waldorf school has a very specific methodology. There are Waldorf schools all over, not just there. My sister and husband live in SV and work there. Their kid goes to public school. I think it was fairly low tech, but when they had the pandemic he was only 5-7 and I just don’t know if it is a good idea to give a 5yo a school ipad.
It doesn't matter how old the article is, or whether Waldorf schools outside Silicon Valley also eschew tech gadgets for young students. Here's an article from early 2020 that notes the trend is holding firm. If you want to say 2020 is too old then find me a newer article that refutes the premise.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/parenting4di...n-makerspaces/

I'd also like to note that wealthy parents, whether or not they work in Tech, supported in-person learning by hook or by crook during the pandemic while poor people were content to let their kids snooze and goof off during supposed "remote learning".
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Old 07-19-2023, 10:09 AM
 
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It doesn't matter how old the article is, or whether Waldorf schools outside Silicon Valley also eschew tech gadgets for young students. Here's an article from early 2020 that notes the trend is holding firm. If you want to say 2020 is too old then find me a newer article that refutes the premise.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/parenting4di...n-makerspaces/

I'd also like to note that wealthy parents, whether or not they work in Tech, supported in-person learning by hook or by crook during the pandemic while poor people were content to let their kids snooze and goof off during supposed "remote learning".
Perhaps you should therefore consider that you have the "wealth" and the "give a damn" relationship backwards.
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Old 07-19-2023, 11:47 AM
 
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The Chromebooks cost less than they were paying for a copy of Windows. It was also a move towards flash memory and a move away from Winchester drives. Then there are the wifi/bandwidth issues, and add a layer or two of censorship..and suddenly you realize your school network is 20 years behind what you have been using at the home-office.
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Old 07-19-2023, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Perhaps you should therefore consider that you have the "wealth" and the "give a damn" relationship backwards.
Not sure what you mean.

Edit: I don't want to be misunderstood, so I will add that poor people may very well "give a damn" about their kids, but they will also do as they are told by authorities. If the authorities tell them their kids need to have "screen time" in first grade, then they will comply. Rich folk, not so much.
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Old 07-19-2023, 04:40 PM
 
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I think you missed the point. Wealthy, married, and well-educated executives in Silicon Valley send their kids to a private school that pointedly omits technology from the curriculum. At least in the elementary grades.

The parents may allow the kids to have devices at home, but they don't use them in school.

(partially paywalled NYT article linked below)
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/t...-can-wait.html
Can't open the piece, is the no-tech angle throughout K-12? That's REALLY dumb if so.
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