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From my spouse's perspective with over a decade under her belt in the classroom, Apple was their favorite. Chromebooks sucked, because they aren't real computers, but portals to the web/cloud. The app support was horrendous. Now at a new school, they appear to use Surface tablets (Windows). No comment on this so far.
Can't open the piece, is the no-tech angle throughout K-12? That's REALLY dumb if so.
Yeah the NYT has an algorithm that gives you a few free articles and then slams the door. Anyway I think these elite schools withhold tech for ages 3-10 and gradually work it into the curriculum.
is the no-tech angle throughout K-12? That's REALLY dumb if so.
Why? Private high schools are cutting down on technology as they are leary of AI.
If you are doing a science, history or English research paper, you are expected to have quotes and sources on index cards and a handwritten outline before you began writing. Perhaps you began the broad research on the internet to narrow your sources. For your actual sources, you go the school library and check out books.
Literature books (poetry or novels) are provided by the school. These books need to be the same edition so the page numbers don't vary. A teacher may ask a student to read from page x, it's the same page for every student.
Perhaps math on the computer is better than an old slide ruler. It's the only subject which is depended on technology. Also maybe some calculations in science, but humanities are not enhanced by computers.
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Why? Private high schools are cutting down on technology as they are leary of AI.
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Perhaps math on the computer is better than an old slide ruler. It's the only subject which is depended on technology. Also maybe some calculations in science, but humanities are not enhanced by computers.
As a practicing engineer (lots of math), the computer is a useful tool as long as you also know the concept and especially can estimate the rational solution before the computer spits it out.
Humanities and tech... today I used the web / search / software to greatly enhance my studies / reading. 'poked' on a lot of words and places to get immediate explanations. I really value that. There is no way I would get as much from straight reading / hearing / listening. During a concert today, I browsed the composer and piece and instrumentation to gain more insight and understanding into the performance. A great enhancement I never could have gleaned in hours of subsequent research.
Apple role?
Tho I am not an Apple user... I'm so glad their start-up experience directed them to service schools, academia and libraries, rather than engineers and technology. Their products and customers brought much to the table (access and tools and accessibility). Thus variation and options, the very lifeblood of lifelong learning. Well positioned products and use of technology. Has that HELPED schools? certainly!!! and they need all the help they can get. Too bad administrators and teachers are not always so good at imparting applicable learnings. So much goes untaught unutilized, to the detriment of our students and society.
Why? Private high schools are cutting down on technology as they are leary of AI.
If you are doing a science, history or English research paper, you are expected to have quotes and sources on index cards and a handwritten outline before you began writing. Perhaps you began the broad research on the internet to narrow your sources. For your actual sources, you go the school library and check out books.
Literature books (poetry or novels) are provided by the school. These books need to be the same edition so the page numbers don't vary. A teacher may ask a student to read from page x, it's the same page for every student.
Perhaps math on the computer is better than an old slide ruler. It's the only subject which is depended on technology. Also maybe some calculations in science, but humanities are not enhanced by computers.
Some schools cutting down on tech is very different than disallowing tech outright.
FWIIW both my kids graduated from private K-12. Both used computers literally all day every day and many evenings.
The yield is things like my daughter was quite good with AutoCad before her first day of engineering school. Every single paper she wrote in high school - and the girls had two or three papers in process just about all the time - was generated and turned in via computer. The library at my daughter's school was and is overwhelmingly electronic. I honestly don't remember my daughter reading library book per se, maybe she did but it wasn't regular for sure.
My son leveraged tech at his school a little less. His school does have an amazing old school library as well.
My kids have enjoyed sensational academic careers, there can be no argument that tech heavy middle and high school was anything but great for them.
My kids have enjoyed sensational academic careers, there can be no argument that tech heavy middle and high school was anything but great for them.
But how is it working out for The Masses? Has Apple, Microsoft, or Samsung helped any ghetto schools that have Zero students at grade level proficiency in subjects X, Y, and Z? I know they make investments by donating equipment that's used to train future consumers of their products, but what else have they accomplished? Anything?
I write software for a living. My kids had Game Boys, and PS2 (then 3 etc) and we let them have cell phones starting in 5th grade. Having technology available is way less important than using it correctly, and within limits.
But how is it working out for The Masses? Has Apple, Microsoft, or Samsung helped any ghetto schools that have Zero students at grade level proficiency in subjects X, Y, and Z? I know they make investments by donating equipment that's used to train future consumers of their products, but what else have they accomplished? Anything?
I write software for a living. My kids had Game Boys, and PS2 (then 3 etc) and we let them have cell phones starting in 5th grade. Having technology available is way less important than using it correctly, and within limits.
This is where everybody who was saying "the kids will really kick it in online school, after all they've grown up with technology" totally missed the boat and got lost on the way to the dock. Yeah, kids have "grown up with technology" but playing Grand Theft Auto is different than making the tech work for you. And I don't mean knowing how computers work or how to code (we have laid off coal miners to do that don't we?) but being able to actually do work on the machine (or have it do work for you).
The question was about Apple but consider who a couple of the main drivers of education policy are today. For academics it's the Gates Foundation (through grants to every level) and for management it's the Broad Foundation through their School Leadership for the 21st Century programs.
Why? Private high schools are cutting down on technology as they are leary of AI.
If you are doing a science, history or English research paper, you are expected to have quotes and sources on index cards and a handwritten outline before you began writing. Perhaps you began the broad research on the internet to narrow your sources. For your actual sources, you go the school library and check out books.
Literature books (poetry or novels) are provided by the school. These books need to be the same edition so the page numbers don't vary. A teacher may ask a student to read from page x, it's the same page for every student.
Perhaps math on the computer is better than an old slide ruler. It's the only subject which is depended on technology. Also maybe some calculations in science, but humanities are not enhanced by computers.
That's the thing I never understood when I was in school. Why do you need quotes and sources on individual index cards? What does that give you that having them on a single sheet or single data file doesn't? It's one of the issues I've always had with schools -- the focus on form and style over substance and content.
Interestingly I'd consider math, at the school level, one of the subjects where computers bring the least at the individual level. There you have to learn and understand the structure of math, not just plug and chug.
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But how is it working out for The Masses? Has Apple, Microsoft, or Samsung helped any ghetto schools that have Zero students at grade level proficiency in subjects X, Y, and Z? I know they make investments by donating equipment that's used to train future consumers of their products, but what else have they accomplished? Anything?
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Because computers are a tool and not the underlying problem. Fixing ghetto schools is a far bigger and broader problem than having a computer will fix.
But how is it working out for The Masses? Has Apple, Microsoft, or Samsung helped any ghetto schools that have Zero students at grade level proficiency in subjects X, Y, and Z? I know they make investments by donating equipment that's used to train future consumers of their products, but what else have they accomplished? Anything?
I write software for a living. My kids had Game Boys, and PS2 (then 3 etc) and we let them have cell phones starting in 5th grade. Having technology available is way less important than using it correctly, and within limits.
Those are legitimate questions and an excellent closing point.
I can see this two ways........many academically at risk/behind grade level kids are sure to be overwhelmed by tech.
Or as StealthRabbit noted above just maybe the efficiency gains yielded by leveraging tech. may reach some kids. How many at risk kids are going to sit down in a library after school? How many can even get to one? Versus how many of the same cadre might be more likely to attempt/complete research via computer from home?
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Not to be harsh, however, with scant few exceptions proving the rule........kids who are way behind early rarely catch up. IMO worrying too much about unsolvable cultural issues shouldn't distract us from what is best for say the top 50% or 65% of students.
This is where everybody who was saying "the kids will really kick it in online school, after all they've grown up with technology" totally missed the boat and got lost on the way to the dock. Yeah, kids have "grown up with technology" but playing Grand Theft Auto is different than making the tech work for you. And I don't mean knowing how computers work or how to code (we have laid off coal miners to do that don't we?) but being able to actually do work on the machine (or have it do work for you).
The question was about Apple but consider who a couple of the main drivers of education policy are today. For academics it's the Gates Foundation (through grants to every level) and for management it's the Broad Foundation through their School Leadership for the 21st Century programs.
FWIIW Melinda Gates graduated from and is an astounding benefactor to my daughter's school noted above. I'm sure that's much of why the school is so, "electronic." Further, the school President was a mechanical engineer previously.......I don't remember the specifics but she prodded my daughter to get into AutoCad.
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