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Old 09-04-2023, 03:48 PM
 
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As in many facets of life, attrition weeds out those who shouldn't be there in the first place.
I'm ok with weeding out. The things that bother me are either the student was capable but not properly prepared, and/or, the grades assigned did not reflect actual performance.

If the college doesn't use SAT/ACT, they must rely on high school grades. They must either be accepting students with known inadequate transcripts, or the transcripts were not correct. The former is on the college for accepting them and the latter is on the education system for not properly preparing students or not providing true grades to the student and to colleges.
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Old 09-04-2023, 04:10 PM
 
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I'm ok with weeding out. The things that bother me are either the student was capable but not properly prepared, and/or, the grades assigned did not reflect actual performance.

If the college doesn't use SAT/ACT, they must rely on high school grades. They must either be accepting students with known inadequate transcripts, or the transcripts were not correct. The former is on the college for accepting them and the latter is on the education system for not properly preparing students or not providing true grades to the student and to colleges.
The kid said that he had taken one Algebra course which he was shaky on but he also said that he was strong in Trig and functions.

What kind of a math sequence did he have? I'm so confused.
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Old 09-04-2023, 04:36 PM
 
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Evidently you can be accomplished in algebra, trig, and calculus and still be unable to figure out how interest rates affect your student loan
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Old 09-04-2023, 06:59 PM
 
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There are some excellent online resources for those needing to firm up their foundation in math. Kahn Academy is good. MathHelp is excellent - I was able to rebuild my foundation from the ground up, in about 3 weeks. I would not recommend doing it that fast but it can be done - I did it and got an A in my college math class.

I am not sure which online tutorials would be good for Calculus. I haven't taken Calc, yet, but I feel as though I could pass it with the right study tools.

Note: I was a very poor math student in HS and when I first attended college nearly 40 years ago. But after rebuilding my foundation I now feel like an excellent math student.
My kid studied Calculus 1 on Khan and then was able to test out of it. This worked for a high school level math course as well. Some students learn very well through Khan.
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Old 09-04-2023, 07:02 PM
 
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SAT/ACT scores have been eliminated at many if not all colleges for entrance - that removes math evaluation knowledge as a benchmark for college entrance.

Many K-12 school districts, like in San Diego and others, have eliminated homework for being considered as part of student GPA - that erodes math performance in K-12 basics.

And you have educational professionals being swayed to use teaching resources and texts that bias math instruction with, shall we say, bizarre ideology
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Mediocrity seems to be the goal - so, there should be no surprise in the resultant outcome we are seeing.

This only serves to showcase the devaluation of a college entrance/acceptance and completion - companies hiring college graduates are now more aware that a diploma is no longer an indicator of employee potential.

Companies are now having to institute more screening and evaluations in interviews to make sure college applicants even possess basics in mathematics. The cache in saying you are a graduate of "x" college has lost value.
I have a kid currently applying at universities, and we are sending the ACT scores to them. Kid has had math homework throughout high school and is currently in concurrent that does assign homework.

This type of thing likely varies according to where one lives, I suppose.
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Old 09-04-2023, 07:39 PM
 
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My kid studied Calculus 1 on Khan and then was able to test out of it. This worked for a high school level math course as well. Some students learn very well through Khan.
I'll have to try Kahn. It's great that your kid was able to self study and test out of Calc. I'm all for doing that whenever possible.
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Old 09-04-2023, 07:48 PM
 
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I have a kid currently applying at universities, and we are sending the ACT scores to them. Kid has had math homework throughout high school and is currently in concurrent that does assign homework.

This type of thing likely varies according to where one lives, I suppose.
Our youngest graduated from HS a couple of years ago and he sent his test scores to all of the schools that he applied to. It was an uphill battle getting those scores for his application because of COVID. That was the one year ('20-'21 school year) where I could see why colleges might make test scores optional.

But in 2023, I don't see the reason for applicants not being able to take and submit ACT/SAT scores.
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:15 PM
 
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I thought that the SAT/ACT was biased against underprivileged students? At least that's the latest media take on them.
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:18 PM
 
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I thought that the SAT/ACT was biased against underprivileged students? At least that's the latest media take on them.
It's a multiple choice test that has been used for over 50 years. The point of a standardized test is that it is not subjective.
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Old 09-04-2023, 09:07 PM
 
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The kid said that he had taken one Algebra course which he was shaky on but he also said that he was strong in Trig and functions.

What kind of a math sequence did he have? I'm so confused.
That's what I mean. Sounds like his classes left him thinking he was prepared when he wasn't.
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