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Old 09-06-2023, 05:38 PM
 
Location: USA
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I will let George Mason answer that question.

https://www.gmu.edu/news/2021-10/inc...on-expert-says


From the public relations release cited in above post:

"“One thing that the recent admissions scandals have shed light on is the impact our capitalistic society has had on the admissions process of four-year institutions,” said Melchior, assistant professor and academic program coordinator for CEHD’s [College of Education and Human Development] counseling program."



Well, at least now we know to whom blame should be ascribed: Adam Smith and his d**m "An Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations"!
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Old 09-06-2023, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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Across each example you could count out the answer or solve for X directly.
Simple multiplication and division. And I forgot to mention, they had use of a calculator.
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Old 09-07-2023, 08:39 AM
 
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That's arithmetic. Knowing your times tables is arithmetic.
It becomes mental math by the time you reach algebra.

Put that in an algebraic expression with a variable and that becomes algebra.
You use arithmetic to solve algebra problems.

You got kids out of HS that still don't know their times tables because rote is considered a bad way to learn.

Personally I learn everything new by "rote"...repetition over and over until it becomes second nature.
Rote memorization (do schools have kids memorize poetry anymore?) helps you build your memory faculty. A good memory is essential to intelligence, they say.
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Old 09-07-2023, 08:42 AM
 
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Across each example you could count out the answer or solve for X directly.
"Count out"? How many quarters in a $10 roll? 4 quarters in $1.(everyone knows that, right??) 4 x 10 = 40. These questions are all too easy. No algebra needed.
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Old 09-07-2023, 08:48 AM
 
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In elementary math we write something like: 7 + [] = 10. What number goes in the box?
I thought "we" write something more like this: 10-7=?
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In algebra we write that as: 7 + X = 10. Solve for X.

Same problem/same question but stick an X in there and people lose their minds.
That would be me! ---->
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Question: When am I ever going to use algebra?

Answer: Every time you solve a simple problem. From adjusting a cake recipe to balancing your checkbook to making correct change without the cash register to tell you, you are using algebraic thinking.
No, I'm doing basic arithmetic. Stop trying to drag me into algebra! It's an unnecessary complication.

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Old 09-07-2023, 09:16 AM
 
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"Count out"? How many quarters in a $10 roll? 4 quarters in $1.(everyone knows that, right??) 4 x 10 = 40. These questions are all too easy. No algebra needed.
Sorry Ruth you are missing the point.
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Old 09-07-2023, 09:59 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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"Count out"? How many quarters in a $10 roll? 4 quarters in $1.(everyone knows that, right??) 4 x 10 = 40. These questions are all too easy. No algebra needed.
Ruth, you used arithmetic to solve an algebra problem
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Old 09-07-2023, 11:14 AM
 
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Ruth, you used arithmetic to solve an algebra problem
Thank you.
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Old 09-07-2023, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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Ruth, you used arithmetic to solve an algebra problem
It's kind of like Common Core. Let's complicate something that isn't complicated.
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Old 09-07-2023, 11:33 AM
 
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What's both scary and interesting to me is we're not even talking about algebra or calc, but very basic math skills like adding fractions and addition/subtraction. We're talking 5th grade math. The interesting part to me is not that COVID should have impacted the understanding of basic math functions for kids of this age.

Consider, students entering college in 2023 would have been sophomore's when school was impacted by COVID. That shouldn't impact basic math knowledge. But also consider this group would have been in their prime math learning years during the heyday of Common Core.
I can't use the term I want to use for common core math on CD. Starts with a c and ends with a k.

I tried to teach my kids normal math and they fought me on it. Public education is no longer around enriching kids. It's about enriching union bosses and members. For the first time (and my last kid is a senior this year), I now recommend private, charter or homeschool. What I have seen over the last three years would shock most people.
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