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Old 09-22-2023, 03:48 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Sounds like your school had very involved parents, probably mostly 2-parent households (dare I say high-earning?). You've characterized your school as having "often limited resources" but it's amazing what dedicated parents can do not only for their own children, but for future classes.
You’ve nailed it.

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In August 2023, Falls Church home prices were down 7.0% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $833K.

The median household income in Falls Church, VA in 2021 was $155,740, which was 48.0% greater than the median annual income of $80,963 across the entire state of Virginia.

It’s a great school, which brings its own challenges, but money is not one of them. Nor is lack of parental involvement - which admittedly is a double edged sword.
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Old 09-22-2023, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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That varied from richest of the rich to one apartment neighborhood along US-29 where the kids would say, "Mr. Victor, don't ever come over here at night. The drug dealers would shoot a white guy".
Bless their hearts. I'm sure some of the best customers are white guys from outside the neighborhood.

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Yes, parents can do a lot, but take our same school without the rich parent group and things would have been much different.
Yep. In 2011 the Bishop threatened our local Catholic school with closure if the parents didn't come up with a recruitment and marketing campaign on our own. Luckily many of the parents were business owners and managers who had the expertise to pull it off. Other schools in more working class areas within the Diocese where a bake sale was the best they could do, simply folded up. It's not that poor parents don't care. It's that they are often overwhelmed just trying to get by without subsidizing the school, too.
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Old 09-22-2023, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Dude…… again, no school in FCPS is hurting for resources. Those numbers you just threw out are proof of that. School I’m at this year, 87% FRL. We consider ourselves very lucky most of ours are reduced, as opposed to free.
Well, we had parents who didn't agree with you. But of course we shouldn't listen to parents.
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Old 09-22-2023, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You’ve nailed it.

Longfellow Middle School|FCPS profile

In August 2023, Falls Church home prices were down 7.0% compared to last year, selling for a median price of $833K.

The median household income in Falls Church, VA in 2021 was $155,740, which was 48.0% greater than the median annual income of $80,963 across the entire state of Virginia.

It’s a great school, which brings its own challenges, but money is not one of them. Nor is lack of parental involvement - which admittedly is a double edged sword.
But again, you represent the predominant part of the community, while leaving out those kids and families who live along the US-29 corridor. I've been in some of their apartments. Have you?
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Old 09-22-2023, 10:23 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Diffferent people would see it different ways. I hated that we had to have an annual fundraiser to get things the school needed. ... Or do you not believe schools should listen to the parent community?
Each of our schools have parent led '501c3 foundations' that donate over $500k of donations (which previously went to people / families in need via United Way type donations.) Parents are very keen on funding the 'public school foundations' because it directly benefit's their own kids. Some local public school foundations are overflowing with millions of $$. No need for garage sales and chili suppers or selling Candy Bars.

The foundation's gifts are totally for benefitical public school prograns and expenses. Those expenses above our 14.7% levy can't seem to cover. (>$50k / yr specific public school taxes for my properties), Approachng, but not quite yet higher than my highest ever wage. Coming soon!
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Old 09-22-2023, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Each of our schools have parent led '501c3 foundations' that donate over $500k of donations (which previously went to people / families in need via United Way type donations.) Parents are very keen on funding the 'public school foundations' because it directly benefit's their own kids. Some local public school foundations are overflowing with millions of $$. No need for garage sales and chili suppers or selling Candy Bars.

The foundation's gifts are totally for benefitical public school prograns and expenses. Those expenses above our 14.7% levy can't seem to cover. (>$50k / yr specific public school taxes for my properties), Approachng, but not quite yet higher than my highest ever wage. Coming soon!
That's really neat!
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Old 09-22-2023, 10:53 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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That's really neat!
You Betcha.

Keep the dollars flowing to the schools, they're building tomorrow's future. Very well
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Old 09-23-2023, 08:41 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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But again, you represent the predominant part of the community, while leaving out those kids and families who live along the US-29 corridor. I've been in some of their apartments. Have you?
The bottom line is FCPS does not have a resources problem. I worked there, I’ve worked in other systems. It’s like working in a totally different world. Just the amount of money raised by PTA/PTOs up there is staggering.

I know the apartments you are discussing and sorry, they are awful for the area but are better than what many kids live in. Poverty is relative, so I get your perspective, but I don’t think you grasp how truly bad it can be elsewhere.
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Old 09-23-2023, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The bottom line is FCPS does not have a resources problem. I worked there, I’ve worked in other systems. It’s like working in a totally different world. Just the amount of money raised by PTA/PTOs up there is staggering.

I know the apartments you are discussing and sorry, they are awful for the area but are better than what many kids live in. Poverty is relative, so I get your perspective, but I don’t think you grasp how truly bad it can be elsewhere.
You know, you look at some things rather superficially.

When both parents have to work full time jobs and part time jobs just to pay the rent and put food on the table, regardless of what county they live in, that's poor. It doesn't matter what school you're in -- if you're on free lunch, you're on free lunch. It doesn't matter if the governor lives in one of the school's neighborhoods when you don't.

My school opened around 1960. From then until 2009 (the year after my retirement) -- that's almost 50 years, the only significant improvement to the physical plant was the addition of one gym and installation of air conditioning (which all schools in the county underwent). Oh yes, and finally an elevator...only for the handicapped students...after the school was forced to due to federal regulations.

Most of our classroom floors had floor tile with asbestos; when a single floor tile began to crack, the room had to be sealed off until a special team would come from central office to remove the individual floor tile through special procedures. Is that what you would call 'state of the art' education?

Virtually all of the computers for students that our school had in the early days when schools across the country were getting computers did not come from the school system. They came from the program at Gaint Foods where customers could 'donate' grocery receipts to schools for various products. They were all Apple products. When the county finally started buying computers for the schools, they bought all Windows based computers. Another fiasco in terms of transitions. For several years after our school had all those computers, we got a technology specialist to coordinate technology...for 3 hours a week. Is that what you call 'state of the art' education?

Were the 8-10 trailer-classrooms out in back what you would call 'state of the art' education?

Many school systems got into robotics and the like in shop classes well before 2000. Our kids were still using lathes (and the like) until then. Is that what you would call 'state of the art' education?

We had a home economics living room until about 2002 and no funds to turn it into a regular classroom (which was what we needed). Is that what you would call 'state of the art' education?

After 9/11, the school system gave us duct tape to seal the walls of windows in the schools just in case there was some kind of chemical or biologic attack. Is that what you would call 'state of the art' education?

I'm the one that signed -- or turned down -- all the requisitions for classroom supplies that teacher submitted, and any idea that we had everything we wanted is pure nonsense. The first time one of the new area superintendents came into the school for a visit she told me that our school's office furniture and faculty room furniture...still from the 1960s...was an embarassment. Didn't give me any extra money to replace it though.

But we didn't complain...much...and do you know why? Not because we had anything close to a state of the art school...unless you call state of the art 1960-ish in 2000. But because over the years we had put together a relatively top notch faculty, had one of the top five gifted programs in the state (actually two different gifted programs), and a rather stellar reputation for our test scores and the number of students we got into Thomas Jefferson High School For Science & Technology. Our success had nothing to do with being a psycially state of the art school...in fact, our success was in spite of that. And I know...because previous to my time there I taught in two schools that were modern and up-to-date, and were close to being state of the art.

Sure, there are lots of worse places to be than in Fairfax County, Virginia. But when you go to a school for our children that's physically dumpy, and then go to a court house for the CRIMINAL justice system and see all the marble and granite and rich woods and furniture...and then go back to cinder blocks and asbestos floor tiles...there's something wrong with our priorities. The Fairfax County Government Center and the School system's office buildings are top notch. Not all the schools are by any means. And I got an apology once from our own school board member about the lack of funds for an earlier renovation.

The fact that we had it better than a lot of places in the country is not saying much for our priorities. I've been in schools in Thailand more modern than our's was. And that's not saying much.
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Old 09-25-2023, 10:09 AM
 
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I'm not required to answer in the way you want me to.
Which also is a non-answer.
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