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Old 10-17-2023, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Supposedly a professional educator and has never heard of the generic "you".

I'll fill you (non-generic) in.

In all languages there are common usages that are not meant to be taken literally. These are called idiomatic expressions. In English the "generic you" is one of these. It is roughly equivalent to "one" in phrases where the exact person being talked about is undefined, or considered as part of a class of people.

Example: "When you dig up big trees, be careful not to strain your back." Here, a literal translation would be something like "If one sets out to dig up a big tree, it's important for the person digging not to strain his or her back." But, because English is a spoken language with a store of idiomatic expressions, it's perfectly acceptable to use the first construction. Replying with something like "But I'm not going to dig up big trees! What do you mean, YOU?" is a non sequitur.

Abruptly challenging the use of idiomatic expressions in one's native language (and yes, I'm assuming the non-generic you is a native English speaker - is this the case?) because their literal meaning doesn't make sense is one of the characteristics of people who are insufficiently educated, or on the autism spectrum.
No, it wasn't clear at all if some of your comments were addressed to a specific person or not. Your post immediately followed one of mine.
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Old 10-17-2023, 09:47 PM
 
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I do have some concerns about home school parents who haven't even been to college or never completed a four year degree (not saying that's your situation). Even with a homeschool program I really question whether they have the ability to teach. The law says they have a right to home school. Can't say I think its a good idea.
I was homeschooled and I agree 100%. There are growing FB and reddit groups of us "homeschool alumni" who are very concerned about the lack of standards.
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Old 10-18-2023, 11:56 AM
 
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I do have some concerns about home school parents who haven't even been to college or never completed a four year degree (not saying that's your situation). Even with a homeschool program I really question whether they have the ability to teach. The law says they have a right to home school. Can't say I think its a good idea.
Sometime around middle school, some students seriously start to question, "Why do I need to learn XXX? When am i ever going to use XXX," where XXX is, say, Algebra/Algebra II/Geometry/various sciences, etc. I imagine it could be difficult for a non-college-educated parent to answer that in a way that it could inspire a student to focus.
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Old 10-18-2023, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Sometime around middle school, some students seriously start to question, "Why do I need to learn XXX? When am i ever going to use XXX," where XXX is, say, Algebra/Algebra II/Geometry/various sciences, etc. I imagine it could be difficult for a non-college-educated parent to answer that in a way that it could inspire a student to focus.
I thought the same thing.

Sometimes I find myself randomly using algebra, using the skills and I don't even realize I'm using them until after the fact. I remember one time laughing to myself, "oh crap, I just created a function!" That's the beauty of it... not all of education is for job descriptions. Sometimes it's about living your life.
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Old 10-18-2023, 11:47 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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... not all of education is for job descriptions. Sometimes it's about living your life.
Let's hope MOST of education is for living a fullfilled, creative and enjoyable life... NOT for your career (minor detail / can practically do in your sleep).

Just imagine if Education's purpose was for equipping and instilling --- Lifelong learning and intellectual growth, and the application of learned knowledge. what a concept.

Vs... how many can we get to pass this test and graduate (in spite of how we misuse our (their) very limitied and valuable contact and teaching time)

Imagine that "Lightbulb"...
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Old 10-19-2023, 08:39 AM
 
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Let's hope MOST of education is for living a fullfilled, creative and enjoyable life... NOT for your career (minor detail / can practically do in your sleep).

Just imagine if Education's purpose was for equipping and instilling --- Lifelong learning and intellectual growth, and the application of learned knowledge. what a concept.

Vs... how many can we get to pass this test and graduate (in spite of how we misuse our (their) very limitied and valuable contact and teaching time)

Imagine that "Lightbulb"...
The key word in Redguard's post you are responding to is sometimes.

Yes, I do agree that education has purposes beyond earning a living.
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Old 10-22-2023, 04:15 PM
 
Location: In the elevator!
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"Great droves"? The figure I found was 91% of American students are in public schools.
Probably not out of their own volition, however.
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Old 10-22-2023, 05:27 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Probably not out of their own volition, however.
Doesn't matter, it's where they are.
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Old 10-22-2023, 06:52 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Doesn't matter, it's where they are.
They have a choice (but it is painful to them personally)

Thus... the majority choose the least painful route (free daycare).

They could choose to work night shift factory jobs and school their own kids (if capable) or join a school co-op.
Or they could forego Cable TV, cars / goods / booze / eating out... and pay for private school.
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Old 10-22-2023, 06:57 PM
 
Location: In the elevator!
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Doesn't matter, it's where they are.
It does matter because but for the fact that they, for whatever reason, don’t have better choices, they wouldn’t be there. I get the spirit of your post is taking advantage of that fact, that you have a choice less captive audience, which is a despicable attitude to have. Given the choice, would a parent rather have their kids in a high quality private school, or the local trash quality government run school? Thankfully, my parents had common sense and chose the former, but many aren’t so lucky.
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