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Old 11-15-2023, 09:12 AM
 
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I'm promoting the exact opposite. Phones are to be encouraged during instruction for the purpose of video/audio recording any instruction/teacher. And only used for this purpose. So the student has a copy of class instruction for study/review purposes. Optional for the student.

You can't use your phone if it disrupts class in any way.

Put a large message on a poster in class: "Phones Must Be Silenced During This Class"
I was going to say, yes - encourage the recording of any instruction/teacher to expose the indoctrination that goes on.

The NYT opinion is an attempt to cover it up.
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Old 11-15-2023, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'm promoting the exact opposite. Phones are to be encouraged during instruction for the purpose of video/audio recording any instruction/teacher. And only used for this purpose. So the student has a copy of class instruction for study/review purposes. Optional for the student.

You can't use your phone if it disrupts class, or distracts you from participating in class.

Put a large message on a poster in class:
"Phones Must Be Silenced During Class
Phones Can Not Be Used For Calls, Messaging, or Entertainment During Class."
I'm just curious. Have you ever been an extended situation where you were in control of 125-200 kids?

And when they don't do what you describe, what will be the consequence(s)?
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Old 11-15-2023, 09:35 AM
 
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I'm just curious. Have you ever been an extended situation where you were in control of 125-200 kids?

And when they don't do what you describe, what will be the consequence(s)?
No one can control 125-200 kids. No one can control two kids completely. Kids acting out is to be expected.

If they can't use a phone as instructed, then why expect them to follow any instructions?
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Old 11-15-2023, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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No one can control 125-200 kids. No one can control two kids completely. Kids acting out is to be expected.

If they can't use a phone as instructed, then why expect them to follow any instructions?
You didn't answer either question...did you.
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Old 11-15-2023, 05:34 PM
 
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I've never forgotten something that happened in my high school when I was a junior. This was back in the late 1960s, and our school got a regular allotment of powdered eggs from some federal government food surplus program. So about once a week, one of the lunches would be scrambled eggs and sausage. Trouble was, the eggs were green. So the next time that was on the menu, the student body had bonded together -- and somehow not one kid snitched the plan. That Wednesday, instead of the roughly 750 student lunch sales for a typical day, the total number of sales was...zero. And 750 lunches had to be tossed in the garbage. Guess what...the powdered eggs never showed up again.

If students want to play hardball, they can, and that is often underestimated.
Like I told you several years ago, "I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them Sam I am."
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Old 11-18-2023, 08:06 AM
 
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I was going to say, yes - encourage the recording of any instruction/teacher to expose the indoctrination that goes on.
Friends are ethnic Indian, borne & raised in Bangalore, came to the US for grad school & stayed. Their son is school, and came home saying they learned in class that each student can select whatever pronoun they desire.

The Indian mom replied, "You're Indian. Your pronoun is Doctor."
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Old 11-20-2023, 12:46 PM
 
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Cameras work wonders in stores.

Police body cams and car cams give endless hours of visual action about criminals, lawbreakers and law enforcement for anyone to view on YouTube.

How does that work so well?
I hardly ever agree with NBP but for this one, I have to say, I went to a private school for the first two years of HS (9-10) which actually had at least two cameras in every classroom and all other areas of the school (because it was a private school, they were allowed to have cameras everywhere).

My experience with cameras in classrooms is that while it does deter some kids from acting up, the usual rabble rousers and discipline problems usually persist. The troublemakers really didn’t care if their misbehavior was recorded or not.
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Old 11-20-2023, 12:57 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I hardly ever agree with NBP but for this one, I have to say, I went to a private school for the first two years of HS (9-10) which actually had at least two cameras in every classroom and all other areas of the school (because it was a private school, they were allowed to have cameras everywhere).

My experience with cameras in classrooms is that while it does deter some kids from acting up, the usual rabble rousers and discipline problems usually persist. The troublemakers really didn’t care if their misbehavior was recorded or not.
Oh they do care. I'd take them to the hall right outside the classroom with the door open to talk to them and the first thing they did was scan for the camera and then their whole demeanor changed.

I did wish public schools would put cameras inside the classrooms.
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Old 11-21-2023, 04:03 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Oh they do care. I'd take them to the hall right outside the classroom with the door open to talk to them and the first thing they did was scan for the camera and then their whole demeanor changed.

I did wish public schools would put cameras inside the classrooms.
That would make many Administrators even lazier. Observing a class from the comfort of their offices and Fantasy Sports leagues. Or their couch at hhome.

We had one Principal who did that, watch hallway transitions from his couch at home (anyone could do that if they had the password to the system) and then call into a teacher's classroom to ask why the teacher was talking to a student or why they were ten seconds late out of their room for the transitions. It then spread to the Assistant Principals doing it.
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Old 11-21-2023, 04:35 AM
 
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OK. Regardless, we've moved on. Parents have moved on. Punish the behaviors if needed. Punish those who exhibit bad behavior, not everyone because someone might do something. If someone learns the subject and isn't bothering anyone else, what difference does it make if they are texting on their phone or sitting their bored out of their mind so long as they aren't disturbing anyone else?

If they have the phone out talking, well isn't that already an issue, regardless of phone? If they are playing a game beeping and booping and making noise, is that any different than playing football with a piece of paper and disturbing others? What can they do with a phone that disturbs the class that isn't already covered under another rule. Perhaps just enforce the rules that matter rather than making up more rules to enforce.
IMO, it's sad that you would even ask that question.

The answer is because it shows a lack of respect, and the kid's parent....at a minimum the kids parent...should care about that.
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