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Old 11-21-2023, 06:26 AM
 
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IMO, it's sad that you would even ask that question.

The answer is because it shows a lack of respect, and the kid's parent....at a minimum the kids parent...should care about that.
I think those defending such behavior are clearly addicted themselves and can't imagine not having a phone in their hands at all times to fend off such things as five minutes of boredom and, you know, just sitting with your own thoughts. Soon there will be nothing else.
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Old 11-21-2023, 06:58 AM
 
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I think those defending such behavior are clearly addicted themselves and can't imagine not having a phone in their hands at all times to fend off such things as five minutes of boredom and, you know, just sitting with your own thoughts. Soon there will be nothing else.
Yeah.

I mean I love smartphones (I still have all of the smartphones I've ever had except one...17...13 Androids, 3 iPhones, and 1 Windows phone....5 of the Androids (the oldest) sit in a box, and the other 8 I use for various things (the 6 I don't have phone lines on = mostly used for Apple Music, and the camera, I use the camera on the Windows phone), and one of the 3 iPhones I have is still sealed in the original box).....

but......

I rarely turn any of my phones on unless I'm going to actively use one for something (when I'm alone...so not interfering with human interaction) or I'm going to walk (pedometer app).

I think people should at least try to limit the intrusiveness of their smartphones.
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Old 11-22-2023, 03:01 AM
 
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Oh they do care. I'd take them to the hall right outside the classroom with the door open to talk to them and the first thing they did was scan for the camera and then their whole demeanor changed.

I did wish public schools would put cameras inside the classrooms.
That is your experience. As I said before, my experience is that cameras in the classrooms had only a minor effect on disciplinary problem levels. I’m no psychologist but just looking at YouTube it is clear to me that you can set up forty million surveillance cameras in any given area and people will still act up.
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Old 11-22-2023, 06:39 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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That is your experience. As I said before, my experience is that cameras in the classrooms had only a minor effect on disciplinary problem levels. I’m no psychologist but just looking at YouTube it is clear to me that you can set up forty million surveillance cameras in any given area and people will still act up.
Our intention is to catch those people who act up and hold them accountable for their actions.
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Old 11-22-2023, 08:02 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Our intention is to catch those people who act up and hold them accountable for their actions.
Since they don't tell the truth the video is the only proof.

It prevented one Asst Principal from accusation of "touching me in the wrong place" from a student that was being escorted to the office after having a fist fight with another girl in the hall.

He never touched her. The female SO that was with him was physically escorting her (holding her elbow).

This 6th grader learned the hard way about trying to seek revenge.
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Old 11-22-2023, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Since they don't tell the truth the video is the only proof.

It prevented one Asst Principal from accusation of "touching me in the wrong place" from a student that was being escorted to the office after having a fist fight with another girl in the hall.

He never touched her. The female SO that was with him was physically escorting her (holding her elbow).

This 6th grader learned the hard way about trying to seek revenge.
I thought the question that was being raised was not about whether or not to have video cameras -- at some level -- but was about how effective they were. The implication by some posters seems to be that video cameras would be the easy solution...solution (as opposed to being one tool).
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Old 11-22-2023, 08:30 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I thought the question that was being raised was not about whether or not to have video cameras -- at some level -- but was about how effective they were. The implication by some posters seems to be that video cameras would be the easy solution...solution (as opposed to being one tool).
From what I have witnessed over the years I was teaching the cameras are not used as preventative measures. They are used after the fact to validate or refute the stories that are told.

My son was in a fight in HS. He said he was defending himself from being hit first. The other kid said my son hit first.
Video proved my son right. My son got 2 days suspension and the other kid got 3 days suspension.

I did inform the principal that my done did nothing wrong by defending himself and he would continue to do so regardless of the school rules on "go tell someone"
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Old 11-22-2023, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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From what I have witnessed over the years I was teaching the cameras are not used as preventative measures. They are used after the fact to validate or refute the stories that are told.

My son was in a fight in HS. He said he was defending himself from being hit first. The other kid said my son hit first.
Video proved my son right. My son got 2 days suspension and the other kid got 3 days suspension.

I did inform the principal that my done did nothing wrong by defending himself and he would continue to do so regardless of the school rules on "go tell someone"
I understand, but that is a choice you make.
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Old 11-22-2023, 12:13 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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From what I have witnessed over the years I was teaching the cameras are not used as preventative measures. They are used after the fact to validate or refute the stories that are told.

My son was in a fight in HS. He said he was defending himself from being hit first. The other kid said my son hit first.
Video proved my son right. My son got 2 days suspension and the other kid got 3 days suspension.

I did inform the principal that my done did nothing wrong by defending himself and he would continue to do so regardless of the school rules on "go tell someone"
If that happened to my kid, I would look into filing a grievance.

Your kid should not get suspended from school for defending himself from someone who physically attacked him.

This is exactly why we need cameras in schools.
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Old 11-22-2023, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I understand, but that is a choice you make.
I know you won't like this, but when your son decided to fight back...instead of seeking help from one of dozens of adults in the school...it changed from an attack to a fight. That's what a fight is.

I know it's tempting to say "fight back" and "defend yourself". But I've seen a few, and heard of more, really serious injuries (and even one death) in the kind of situation you describe. All it takes is one student falling and hitting his head on a desk or a water fountain, or just the hard floor to have a brain injury (as one example). I'm sorry, but "we" can't allow fights in schools. Why didn't you press charges against the other kid and his family?
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