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Old 11-12-2023, 08:11 AM
 
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It's not hard to ban them if you install jamming equipment.
They should install the same to make phones non-operational in MOVING vehicles. Need to make a call? Pull over and stop first.
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Old 11-12-2023, 10:19 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Can't have cameras in the restrooms, where some of it takes place. Most "school" bullying doesn't take place there but in the neighborhoods and on-line, where the school has no authority although parents, and others want it to.

Also, cameras in schools are typically used for "after the fact", looking to see who was involved in a fight or committed vandalism. There's no room with a bank of monitors with someone watching them constantly like you see in the movies.

Cameras also tend to make Administrators lazy. Why be in the hallways when you can stay in your office and watch the them while catching up on your Fantasy Sports leagues or, even in some cases, when you can sit on your living room couch in your jammies.
If the school administration is not monitoring students in the hallways, then that is all the more reason to have cameras installed everywhere so it is possible to hold the school staff accountable for actually doing their jobs.

Store employees don't stop monitoring shoplifters just because they have cameras installed in their store. The cameras function as a backup to help prove that a shoplifter is stealing items.

Whether or not a school needs someone watching the monitors is up to them and their particular situation. But at least cameras will help detect where bullying is occurring and take punitive action against students or anyone else who is engaging in that behavior.

A school is a place of public trust and there should be no right to privacy in classrooms, hallways, cafeterias, gyms, auditoriums, playgrounds, etc. Only bathrooms should have no cameras. Also, a school cannot be held responsible for what happens on the internet or doesn't happen on school grounds.
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Old 11-12-2023, 10:30 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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If the school administration is not monitoring students in the hallways, then that is all the more reason to have cameras installed everywhere so it is possible to hold the school staff accountable for actually doing their jobs.

Store employees don't stop monitoring shoplifters just because they have cameras installed in their store. The cameras function as a backup to help prove that a shoplifter is stealing items.

Whether or not a school needs someone watching the monitors is up to them and their particular situation. But at least cameras will help detect where bullying is occurring and take punitive action against students or anyone else who is engaging in that behavior.

A school is a place of public trust and there should be no right to privacy in classrooms, hallways, cafeterias, gyms, auditoriums, playgrounds, etc. Only bathrooms should have no cameras. Also, a school cannot be held responsible for what happens on the internet or doesn't happen on school grounds.
You didn't catch what I was saying. Cameras encourage Admins to not to stay in their offices instead of being out in the hallways.

Bullying is overblown, especially when absolutely anything can be considered bullying. A guy doesn't want to talk to a girl? She's been bullied. A teacher tells a kid to put away his phone and do his work? That's bullying. Someone looks at someone a shade too long? That's bullying.

Some demographics play the Dozens. It's a cultural marker, if you will. Is that bullying? A cultural marker?
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Old 11-12-2023, 10:48 AM
 
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You didn't catch what I was saying. Cameras encourage Admins to not to stay in their offices instead of being out in the hallways.

Bullying is overblown, especially when absolutely anything can be considered bullying. A guy doesn't want to talk to a girl? She's been bullied. A teacher tells a kid to put away his phone and do his work? That's bullying. Someone looks at someone a shade too long? That's bullying.

Some demographics play the Dozens. It's a cultural marker, if you will. Is that bullying? A cultural marker?
I consider bullying to be any unwanted or unwelcome physical contact.

That is the most important thing that cameras need to monitor.

But it's not only that. If a student is misbehaving or being disruptive beyond a teacher's detection, then you need cameras for those situations too. Plus, cameras can help ensure that the school administration is being impartial in meting out punishment to students. That happens a lot in schools.
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Old 11-12-2023, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I doubt it.

With all the bullying and disruptive behavior that goes on in schools, there should definitely be cameras everywhere so there is irrefutable proof.

Schools need to step up to the 21st century.
There are places you can't really have cameras. For example

in lavatories
in locker rooms/showers
walking home
websites created by students that are not directly connected to the school

and more
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Old 11-12-2023, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's not hard to ban them if you install jamming equipment.
Of course that jams phones for adults with legit reasons for using their phones.
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Old 11-12-2023, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How and why; do schools no longer have a land line whereby parents can reach teachers/students? I'm sure there have been "emergencies" in the past that were handled this way. I'm equally sure the large majority of communication between parents and students via cell phones on a daily basis is NOT "an emergency."
In a culture where kids are babied to the extent they are today, some parents think everything is an emergency.

Although this is not phone related, here's an example...and this dates way back to 2008.

A father came ranting (and I do mean ranting) about the conditions in our parking lot in the morning, and "How do you expect my daughter to safely walk across a parking lot where all those buses (22) are pulling in and out?"

My answer: "I expect her to walk on the sidewalk".
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Old 11-12-2023, 11:05 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I consider bullying to be any unwanted or unwelcome physical contact.

That is the most important thing that cameras need to monitor.

But it's not only that. If a student is misbehaving or being disruptive beyond a teacher's detection, then you need cameras for those situations too. Plus, cameras can help ensure that the school administration is being impartial in meting out punishment to students. That happens a lot in schools.
Doesn't matter what you think bullying is because that's not the current definition.

You're engaging in magical thinking. Use of cameras is reactive, sorting things out after they've happened. As I said, for the most part they're not monitored in real time.
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Old 11-12-2023, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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Here's a quote from the story:

"...Now the enforcers are coming in. As Natasha Singer reported recently in The Times, Florida has issued a statewide prohibition against student cellphone use in the classroom, and school districts elsewhere including those in South Portland, Maine, and Charlottesville, Va., have made similar moves. One district in Florida, Orange County, went so far as to ban phones during the school day entirely. The not-shocking result: less bullying, increased student engagement, even actual eye contact between students and teachers in the hallway..."

The writer believes that parents are part of the problem, thinking their kids are safer with phones. She's in favor of no cell phones for kids before High School.
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Old 11-12-2023, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Here's a quote from the story:

"...Now the enforcers are coming in. As Natasha Singer reported recently in The Times, Florida has issued a statewide prohibition against student cellphone use in the classroom, and school districts elsewhere including those in South Portland, Maine, and Charlottesville, Va., have made similar moves. One district in Florida, Orange County, went so far as to ban phones during the school day entirely. The not-shocking result: less bullying, increased student engagement, even actual eye contact between students and teachers in the hallway..."

The writer believes that parents are part of the problem, thinking their kids are safer with phones. She's in favor of no cell phones for kids before High School.
Absolutely. That's what we kept hearing from parents even back in 2008...and part of it resulted from 9/11
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