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Old 11-20-2023, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Sorry, offering fewer GT classes.
Are you talking about how students are identified as GT?

 
Old 11-20-2023, 09:12 PM
 
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Are you talking about how students are identified as GT?

No. I'm talking about districts reducing the number of gifted and talent classes offered in the name of equity.
 
Old 11-20-2023, 09:35 PM
 
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So we are about to get into a philosophical discussion about "what is merit, how should it be measured, and how is it best rewarded" that's a discussion worth having but it's off topic and I'm not really interested in having it here. You didn't posit that teachers support anti-merit policy's but that they were indoctrinating the youth. I hope you can see how those are different claims.
Not really. Everyone who is even a little bit honest, and even a little bit contextually knowledgeable, knows that standardized testing is more accurate than grading across large numbers of kids attending schools of wildly varying expectations/rigor demands....want to argue that the average student in MA is as challenged as the average student in WY? NMSF cutoff scores - and a dozen other things - won't be on your side if so.

I did posit that teacher's support anti-merit efforts via my comments per the NEA and "Fairtest" because teachers absolutely do support "Fairtest" via union dues.

I do see the narrow distinction(s) you are leveraging. I'd hope you see that anti-merit policies noted are in fact important parts of the DEI/CRT melange. And even if you don't it's important to note your side is as of now beginning to loose these arguments.

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Old 11-20-2023, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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No. I'm talking about districts reducing the number of gifted and talent classes offered in the name of equity.
In other words, legitimate GT students are not receiving GT services.

That's just plain wrong of those districts.
 
Old 11-20-2023, 09:59 PM
 
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I thought what he was saying was that he teaches kids critical thinking skills. Are you afraid of critical thinking?
I'm all for critical thinking. Critical thinking is good. Education is good. Influencing a child contrary to their parents is not the school systems job. These sentences, taken together, fall in the same vein as other version of same thought path -- parents are the enemy; if parents don't agree, then parents are wrong.

Why the need to influence at all? Why that wording when it's not school's job?

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Personally I have always seen it as my mission to give students the tools they need to decide these things for themselves the issue is that sometimes parents don't actually want that.
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That's my point. There is a lot of influencing that people accept, irs when the balance of power shifts and the influencing starts to move the other direction that people get upset.
 
Old 11-20-2023, 10:02 PM
 
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In other words, legitimate GT students are not receiving GT services.

That's just plain wrong of those districts.
Yes it is and the drawdowns are being done in the name of equity.
 
Old 11-20-2023, 10:04 PM
 
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I'm all for critical thinking. Critical thinking is good. Education is good. Influencing a child contrary to their parents is not the school systems job. These sentences, taken together, fall in the same vein as other version of same thought path -- parents are the enemy; if parents don't agree, then parents are wrong.

Why the need to influence at all? Why that wording when it's not school's job?
For the win.
 
Old 11-20-2023, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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I'm all for critical thinking. Critical thinking is good. Education is good. Influencing a child contrary to their parents is not the school systems job. These sentences, taken together, fall in the same vein as other version of same thought path -- parents are the enemy; if parents don't agree, then parents are wrong.

Why the need to influence at all? Why that wording when it's not school's job?
There are a lot of parents that don't even understand the concept of critical thinking. They want parrots that regurgitate their own dogma which in a lot of cases is garbage. It's antithetical to critical thinking.
 
Old 11-21-2023, 05:27 AM
 
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I'm all for critical thinking. Critical thinking is good. Education is good. Influencing a child contrary to their parents is not the school systems job. These sentences, taken together, fall in the same vein as other version of same thought path -- parents are the enemy; if parents don't agree, then parents are wrong.

Why the need to influence at all? Why that wording when it's not school's job?
I don't think children should be treated as property. I think they have a right as they grow up to be allowed to have an internal life separate from their parents. And I DO think one of the jobs of school is to provide the opportunity for them to do that. If that makes me the bad guy to some folks on CD I think I'm okay with that.

I don't think that it's the schools job to influence children in a specific direction (other than not hitting, calling mean names, going to class etc.,)

Kids are going to be influenced by a ton of things, their friends, the TV, TikTok etc. If parents want to be the primary influence in their children's lives it's actually quite easy to do: be an active, involved, and loving parent who takes the time to do it. I see it all the time, teens who have been raised with strong values. It isn't actually rocket science. It is work.

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Old 11-21-2023, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Upstate
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The charter school that all three of my kids attended, was named the best overall high school in the state. 97% graduation rate with 80% or higher scores.
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