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Old 12-02-2023, 11:24 AM
 
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It's called CRE..culturally responsive education.
The only way I'd want my children's education to be "culturally responsive" is in emphasizing success in the dominant culture.

Back when I was a kid in the segregated George Washington Carver Elementary, at the dawn of the Civil Rights era with black teachers and a black principal, that's how they taught us: "You will be the first generation to get the chance to enter the white culture. This is what it takes to survive in the white culture, so this is what you're going to learn."
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Old 12-02-2023, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The only way I'd want my children's education to be "culturally responsive" is in emphasizing success in the dominant culture.

Back when I was a kid in the segregated George Washington Carver Elementary, at the dawn of the Civil Rights era with black teachers and a black principal, that's how they taught us: "You will be the first generation to get the chance to enter the white culture. This is what it takes to survive in the white culture, so this is what you're going to learn."
that's a very fine -- and potentially dangerous -- line
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Old 12-02-2023, 11:40 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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The only way I'd want my children's education to be "culturally responsive" is in emphasizing success in the dominant culture.

Back when I was a kid in the segregated George Washington Carver Elementary, at the dawn of the Civil Rights era with black teachers and a black principal, that's how they taught us: "You will be the first generation to get the chance to enter the white culture. This is what it takes to survive in the white culture, so this is what you're going to learn."
How true. Equal opportunity finally came to fruition.

We seem to be going backwards today.
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Old 12-02-2023, 01:18 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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The only way I'd want my children's education to be "culturally responsive" is in emphasizing success in the dominant culture.
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and we chose to equip and expose our kids to be cross-cultural focused. (Thus we raised them as minorities, overseas, not in an English speaking dominant culture.)

<50 % of my immediate STEM work group, and 90% of my deliverable has been with collaborating cross culturally to non-native English speakers since the mid 1980's. Everyday immersed in foreign cultures and business groups (and objectives). Often 5+ cultures and language groups needed to be communicated with and agreed in purpose and direction - daily.

That's not uncommon. It's 'real life' in the international world we live and work (and educate) in.

I have my doubts the USA will remain a dominant culture into the future.

English may prevail as a 'language-of-business', but you best know what's on people minds and backroom discussions, to understand exactly where they are strategically headed in the performance of your business and relationships.

No need for 'surprises' when you report to your management what you have been accomplishing for the past few months, and how 'smoothly' your multi-cultural factory is performing to fill the shelves around the world for Christmas / seasonal promotions.
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Old 12-02-2023, 01:31 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I frequently use Spanish in my job and my Spanish-language skills are partly what gave me an advantage over other candidates for the same job.

The exact same thing is true of my wife. She gets a pay bonus for being fluent in Spanish.
In 30 years of working in computer, engineering and legal fields, I have never been required to learn Spanish or any other foreign language to do my job.

At most, it has been like icing on the cake.

It looks like people can have very different experiences when it comes to foreign languages.
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Old 12-02-2023, 01:36 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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and we chose to equip and expose our kids to be cross-cultural focused. (Thus we raised them as minorities, overseas, not in an English speaking dominant culture.)

<50 % of my immediate STEM work group, and 90% of my deliverable has been with collaborating cross culturally to non-native English speakers since the mid 1980's. Everyday immersed in foreign cultures and business groups (and objectives). Often 5+ cultures and language groups needed to be communicated with and agreed in purpose and direction - daily.

That's not uncommon. It's 'real life' in the international world we live and work (and educate) in.

I have my doubts the USA will remain a dominant culture into the future.

English may prevail as a 'language-of-business', but you best know what's on people minds and backroom discussions, to understand exactly where they are strategically headed in the performance of your business and relationships.

No need for 'surprises' when you report to your management what you have been accomplishing for the past few months, and how 'smoothly' your multi-cultural factory is performing to fill the shelves around the world for Christmas / seasonal promotions.
It's taught in schools all over the world.
English is the "lingua franca" of business and I doubt that will change anytime soon.
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Old 12-02-2023, 03:12 PM
 
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Or make life easier in their environment. I heartily advise any Texan to learn a bit of Spanish.
I heartily advise any US citizen who expects, one day, to be in an Assisted Living Facility or Skilled Nursing Facility and who needs to ask to have their diaper or Depends changed to learn Spanish.
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Old 12-02-2023, 03:17 PM
 
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The only way I'd want my children's education to be "culturally responsive" is in emphasizing success in the dominant culture.
Neighbors of ours are ethnic Indians, having been born & raised & educated in Bangalore, then came to the USA for graduate school, earned their PhDs (one in Electrical Engineering; the other in Material Science), stayed in the USA, married one another, and are now raising a family. They are a lovely couple, and their kids are great.

The son came home one day and reported that in school they've learned each person can choose their own pronoun.

The mom retorted, "Choose your pronoun??? You're Indian. Your pronoun will be Doctor."
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Old 12-02-2023, 03:45 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Neighbors of ours are ethnic Indians, having been born & raised & educated in Bangalore, then came to the USA for graduate school, ...
The son came home one day and reported that in school they've learned each person can choose their own pronoun.

The mom retorted, "Choose your pronoun??? You're Indian. Your pronoun will be Doctor."
Yes, we hosted a 3 generation family of National Indian educators last month.

Higher achievement throughout generations is a given, not an option, not negotiable.

And I didn't realize how dearly they pay for k-12.

You pay for RESULTS (as in much of the world), especially evident in UK.

You pay as much as you can scratch together for the highest appointment you can get. Then you pay more, and continue to pay.
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Old 12-02-2023, 04:34 PM
 
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I frequently use Spanish in my job and my Spanish-language skills are partly what gave me an advantage over other candidates for the same job. The exact same thing is true of my wife. She gets a pay bonus for being fluent in Spanish.

In any event, I would suggest that for the vast majority of students, language skills are more valuable than say "learning to code." A tiny number of students who take a computer coding class ever do it for a living. Worse still is the nonsense of teaching middle-aged coal miners or loggers how to code.

And don't be too sure that English will always be the lingua franca so to speak. That is only a recent development and can change. English usage in the EU is on the decline, for example, after Brexit. If we go through a similar round of isolationism and disengagement under a second Trump Administration the rest of the world might well start to move on.
English is a lock remain the most important language worldwide for a very long while for two key reasons:

A. English is the dominant language of finance, trade and general commerce.


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B. English is the dominant language of science and medicine.




As a comment English will remain the dominant language across the EU for many years.
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