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Old 12-03-2023, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Plano, TX
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A knowledge of German continues to be immensely useful for aeronautical engineers in particular, and for practitioners in mechanical-type of engineering or even in physics in general. In grad school, my counterparts in the math program were expected to learn two out of three of {French, Russian, Ger*****, as part of their candidacy exam.

It's true that post-1990 or so, English has overwhelmingly taken over, as the language of scientific journals or conferences or textbooks. But even today, if one wishes to read the classical literature in the field, it's helpful to know one of the principal European languages.

There is a fusion and an embrace between the sciences and the humanities, if the latter are understood broadly. Yet another failure of the American education-system, is a failure to understand this connection.
The requirement of French, German, or Russian for the math and physics department is the principle reason I got a BS in Computer Science instead. The foreign language requirement for Computer Science is why many people majored in Electrical Engineering instead of Computer Science at the same school (although in fairness, I do know people that majored in CS instead of EE because they wanted to avoid Quantum Physics). This is a university that was/is top 10/top 20 in all of those fields (CS, EE, Math, Physics). Granted, when I later went to graduate school for my MSCS, I recall reading one of my friend's books on Algorithms in French (I just borrowed the book because he had it), and used another book for another class in Chinese (I couldn't find the English version), but I was just using resources that were available. My speed and understanding of the material if equivalent sources were available in English was much greater.
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Old 12-03-2023, 12:02 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The most important reason for learning a foreign language is if you plan on visiting or living in a country where that language is spoken.

It will certainly help you communicate better with the local population.

But in terms of helping with your professional career if you're working for an employer in the United States, I don't buy it.
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Old 12-03-2023, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The most important reason for learning a foreign language is if you plan on visiting or living in a country where that language is spoken.

It will certainly help you communicate better with the local population.

But in terms of helping with your professional career if you're working for an employer in the United States, I don't buy it.
Not practical, but I thought it would be best if you could "bank" courses in foreign languages until at some point as an adult you needed them...which is mostly never.
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Old 12-03-2023, 02:07 PM
 
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What happened to personal accountability. The mentality today is poor me. Yes we have a problem. Blaming someone or something does not equal progress
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Old 12-03-2023, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What happened to personal accountability. The mentality today is poor me. Yes we have a problem. Blaming someone or something does not equal progress
I'm not quite sure precisely what you're referring to in regard to this thread.
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Old 12-03-2023, 07:33 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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To answer the main question, yes "we" as a nation have failed our youth badly. Because after all "math is racist".

You must have math skills for these, and other jobs that requires critical thinking. Instead of teaching them the actual skills they need to get ahead in this world they learn indoctrination, and are offered useless classes that get them nowhere. And we fall further behind other nations of the world who know better. They see what has happened to America as an example. Return to the basics. They worked before, and they can work again.
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Old 12-04-2023, 08:46 AM
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Location: New York Area
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Any time someone starts talking about a "progressive woke ideology" in public schools. They lost me. Haven't seen it here. Its just a conservative talking point.
No chance, this stuff is real and it's happening.

Might you argue with any of the substantive points the other guy made by showing changes in curriculum?
I'm sure it's happening more in deep blue school districts in deep blue states.
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Old 12-04-2023, 09:44 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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I'm sure it's happening more in deep blue school districts in deep blue states.
And bright red. As long as there is an authority figure with a thought or motive, their intent spills out.

Been happening since the advent of communications, and politics.

Schools are just another convenient soap box.

Bosses, company execs, military leaders, Presidents..... Schools used to instruct in information filtering and discernment, but that's counterproductive to the agendas, especially the voter agenda.
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Old 12-04-2023, 10:03 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Any time someone starts talking about a "progressive woke ideology" in public schools. They lost me. Haven't seen it here. Its just a conservative talking point.
I think that sort of thing peaked around 2020-2021 in the aftermath of COVID and George Floyd.

It was an overreaction, but also understandable given what was going on at that time.
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Old 12-04-2023, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'm sure it's happening more in deep blue school districts in deep blue states.
You apparently are not aware of right wing activism on school boards.
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