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Old 01-29-2024, 10:18 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Well if you read enough articles the so called "experts" blame poverty and lack of food.
I haven't seen many articles blaming our academic policies. It seems it's all social issues.
How does that have bearing here?

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Feel free to add your meaningful content to the thread. Whether the last 5 minutes or the last 30+ yrs.

Has 2000s America done a bad job at inspiring youth to go into science and engineering?

We're all well aware of your failures.

We've chosen not to go there. (it's a choice, since opportunites to succeed are limitless. (to those willing to try)
My point is your comparison to figures from centuries ago is not an apples to apples to comparison. The homeschool site also didn't help your case. I'm very well educated, no failures here.
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Old 01-29-2024, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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And who did we, as a nation, entrust with educating our society?
Elected boards of education.
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Old 01-29-2024, 10:56 AM
 
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Elected boards of education.
I might add that because people in the United States are determined to have local control of education many of this nation's school districts are small. The idea was to keep as much local control of education as possible (whether that is a good thing or not).

The reality is that if someone wonders who was put in charge of educating the young people around them they shouldn't have to look very far.
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Old 01-29-2024, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I might add that because people in the United States are determined to have local control of education many of this nation's school districts are small. The idea was to keep as much local control of education as possible (whether that is a good thing or not).

The reality is that if someone wonders who was put in charge of educating the young people around them they shouldn't have to look very far.
And even at the state level, BOE's are appointed by ELECTED politicians (at least where I've worked).
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Old 01-29-2024, 11:45 AM
 
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Elected boards of education.
And who did those boards hire?
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Old 01-29-2024, 11:52 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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How does that have bearing here?


My point is your comparison to figures from centuries ago is not an apples to apples to comparison. The homeschool site also didn't help your case. I'm very well educated, no failures here.
Poverty and food has a big bearing on education in the US.
We have studies

School lunch and academic performance:
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/h...c-performance/

Poverty and academic performance:
https://www.nassp.org/poverty-and-it...nts-education/
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Old 01-29-2024, 11:55 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Elected boards of education.
We also have national policies...NCLB, Common Core, RTT, etc.
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Old 01-29-2024, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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And who did those boards hire?
That's not the point. We're talking about who makes the big decisions. And that is state and local boards of education.

I know...democracy is messy.
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Old 01-29-2024, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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We also have national policies...NCLB, Common Core, RTT, etc.
More recently, yes. And again those came out of elected representatives and their appointees.
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Old 01-29-2024, 12:59 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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I might add that because people in the United States are determined to have local control of education many of this nation's school districts are small. The idea was to keep as much local control of education as possible (whether that is a good thing or not).

The reality is that if someone wonders who was put in charge of educating the young people around them they shouldn't have to look very far.
Good point! I live in Pennsylvania and we have 500 school districts. Other than Philadelphia, we have no county school districts. Some of the school districts in PA have less than 300 students. That's less than 23 in a class. The school boards have little understanding of what goes on in schools because they are not there. They meet at night and approve critical decisions like approving a cafeteria worker from part-time to full-time status. Check your school board minutes. Many of the monthly meetings are over in 30 minutes. At the other extreme is the current trend to ban books in school libraries.

In the case of PA, we would be better off if smaller, more rural counties moved to county school districts.
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