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Old 11-28-2023, 09:53 AM
 
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Kids cringe when you mention physics because they have been taught to cringe. By society. By their parents. By their friends. By their teachers. Physics involves math. Kids learn to hate math by middle school. There have been quite a few studies on this phenomenon.
Not enough elementary school preparation. Elementary school is where there needs to be more "equity" applied to pedagogy. By "equity" I mean elementary school is where we need to make sure that children get whatever "unequal treatment" is necessary to ensure that they finish with true "equal outcomes" in basic education.
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Old 11-28-2023, 10:01 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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To the bolded... work at what?
As mentioned.... An applicable job with exposure to chosen field. The employer may appreciate the incentive, and pay for college. I started as a janitor in a tech firm at age 17. They paid for 5 degrees + sponsored my apprenticeship.

STEM related entry level employment...
Lab tech
Machinist
Draftsperson
Vet assistant
Assembler
Water quality sample collector (a classmate took a great job testing back country Colorado lakes). He got a snowmobile, cabin, ATV, and his company paid for college.
Hospital aide
Warehouse services
Technical delivery
Oil well / extraction services
Survey tech
... janitor

Any role that gets you access to operations, fellow employees, technology, professional services can be the appropriate way to gain a foothold to advancement and growth in an industry. Most importantly.... Exposure to if it is something you could enjoy and be successful.

I would ask any college student, "what have you done to explore your chosen field?" Exposure, informational interviews, internships, WORK...
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Old 11-28-2023, 10:03 AM
 
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To the bolded... work at what?
That would mean getting training in an adjacent technical vocation and working that for a few years.
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Old 11-28-2023, 10:04 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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I'm saying that maybe people should work in their intended field for a few years before going to college, in order to see if the lifestyle is for them or not.
How the hell do they get a job in that field with no college degree?
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Old 11-28-2023, 10:06 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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As mentioned.... An applicable job with exposure to chosen field. The employer may appreciate the incentive, and pay for college. I started as a janitor in a tech firm at age 17. They paid for 5 degrees + sponsored my apprenticeship.

STEM related entry level employment...
Lab tech
Machinist
Draftsperson
Vet assistant
Assembler
Water quality sample collector (a classmate took a great job testing back country Colorado lakes). He got a snowmobile, cabin, ATV, and his company paid for college.
Hospital aide
Warehouse services
Technical delivery
Oil well / extraction services
Survey tech
... janitor

Any role that gets you access to operations, fellow employees, technology, professional services can be the appropriate way to gain a foothold to advancement and growth in an industry. Most importantly.... Exposure to if it is something you could enjoy and be successful.

I would ask any college student, "what have you done to explore your chosen field?" Exposure, informational interviews, internships, WORK...
And as a janitor they discovered your technical skills? If I didn't know any better this sounds a bit like the plot of Good Will Hunting.
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Old 11-28-2023, 10:14 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Science and Engineering require a good grasp of Math.
We don't have that here in the US.
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Old 11-28-2023, 10:32 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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How the hell do they get a job in that field with no college degree?
It's so simple
For those with the least drop of initiative.

As a stem hiring professional.... We can spot it immediately.

Slackers need not apply (qualified by education, included)
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Old 11-28-2023, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Entertainer of some sort, like a YouTube influencer. That would be it.

That's probably been an aspiration of most kids at some point in time for the last 100 years at least, since movies, radio, and gramophones became popular. Most used to grow out of it pretty quickly, before they'd squandered their formative years with that aspiration.
I don't consider it to be "squandered". It's part of being a kid. It's part of growing up.
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Old 11-28-2023, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How the hell do they get a job in that field with no college degree?
What's not to understand? Work as a surgeon for a few years and then go to med school.
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Old 11-28-2023, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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And as a janitor they discovered your technical skills? If I didn't know any better this sounds a bit like the plot of Good Will Hunting.
they paid for 5 degrees and an apprenticeship...happens all the time...right?
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