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Old 02-11-2024, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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Parents should teach about money management & encourage savings, hopefully by example.
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Old 02-11-2024, 12:32 PM
 
Location: WA
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There's legislation this year in Maryland to make Student Teaching paid. No mention on who would pay or how to fund it. Youngest daughter starts to splutter when she talks about it.
Alternative teaching certification pathways usually include paid internships. It is only the traditional undergraduate school of education programs that have unpaid student teaching.

For example, when my wife and I relocated from Alaska to Texas (for her medical career) I was forced to abandon my previous job as a marine fisheries biologist with NOAA and I decided to take up science teaching. Since I already had undergrad and graduate degrees in biology and fisheries I didn't have to go back to school to get a BA in education. Rather, I just enrolled in a local alternative teacher certification program through the local community college in Texas which included a couple of evening classes on curriculum, school management, classroom management, etc. and they tossed me right into a full-paid first year teaching position at a local high school as an intern. I had a mentor teacher drop in to check up on things every few weeks and my principal paid more attention to what I was doing compared to her veteran teachers. All of us interns had Saturday sessions to attend every other week or so to debrief, compare notes, and discuss how things were going for each of us in our individual schools. But that was it. I never spent an hour in any classroom that wasn't paid.

For that reason I would actually encourage prospective teachers (especially in the sciences) to get a regular degree and perhaps even a graduate degree and then if they still want to teach, just do an alternative cert program. That will make them more employable in non-teaching professions and won't hamstring their employment chances in education if they are in a state that has alternative teaching certification pathways (some don't).
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Old 02-11-2024, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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There's legislation this year in Maryland to make Student Teaching paid. No mention on who would pay or how to fund it. Youngest daughter starts to splutter when she talks about it.
Even if they paid something along the lines of substitute pay it would help.
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Old 02-11-2024, 02:07 PM
 
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Student Teaching. One semester part-time followed by one semester full-time.
Thank you. I guess it helps to teach the student teachers to get used to being under paid.
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Old 02-11-2024, 02:10 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Even if they paid something along the lines of substitute pay it would help.
Where will the money come from? It's getting more and more difficult to place student teachers as it is (fallout, to an extent, from the testing regime) so will the school system pick it up? Or the college?

Plus, as you know, once you start paying someone, in this case a Student Teacher, that adds a layer of legalities for the school.

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Old 02-11-2024, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Where will the money come from? It's getting more and more difficult to place student teachers as it is (fallout, to an extent, from the testing regime) so will the school system pick it up? Or the college?
I think the school system. Money is always a question, of course. I never thought of this at the time, but in the 13 years I was a vice principal, followed by 7 as principal (in the same school), we never once had a student teacher. I guess there wasn't enough incentive(s) for the potential sponsor teachers.
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Old 02-11-2024, 02:22 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I think the school system. Money is always a question, of course. I never thought of this at the time, but in the 13 years I was a vice principal, followed by 7 as principal (in the same school), we never once had a student teacher. I guess there wasn't enough incentive(s) for the potential sponsor teachers.
And yours would have been a school Student Teachers would have wanted to be placed at if there were cooperating teachers.
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Old 02-11-2024, 02:22 PM
 
Location: WA
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Even if they paid something along the lines of substitute pay it would help.
Not only are they NOT paid.

They are charged college tuition by their college for the privilege of student teaching.

Double whammy.
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Old 02-11-2024, 02:25 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Where will the money come from? It's getting more and more difficult to place student teachers as it is (fallout, to an extent, from the testing regime) so will the school system pick it up? Or the college?

Plus, as you know, once you start paying someone, in this case a Student Teacher, that adds a layer of legalities for the school.
Union, teacher retirement, health insurance....it grows overnight.
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Old 02-11-2024, 02:26 PM
 
Location: WA
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I think the school system. Money is always a question, of course. I never thought of this at the time, but in the 13 years I was a vice principal, followed by 7 as principal (in the same school), we never once had a student teacher. I guess there wasn't enough incentive(s) for the potential sponsor teachers.
Did you not have any schools of education nearby in easy commuting distance?

All the schools I have taught at have always had lots of student teachers. But then we were right next door to Baylor when I taught in Texas and here in SW Washington we are right next to Portland State on one side and WSU-Vancouver on the other so lots of teacher candidates nearby.
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