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Old 02-14-2024, 03:24 PM
 
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You're not around today's youth or their parents. You're right, they wouldn't have been excuses when you were in school but are now.

I had stitches in my leg one time, with a doctor's note to excuse me for a couple or three classes until they came out. Didn't matter, still had to do class. Broke those stitches wide open and had to be re-done.
Seems like everything else, we've gone from one extreme to another. I realize the mile run might not be most people's favorite activity, but kids need to learn that sometimes in life, we have to do things we don't want to do.
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Old 02-14-2024, 03:36 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Seems like everything else, we've gone from one extreme to another. I realize the mile run might not be most people's favorite activity, but kids need to learn that sometimes in life, we have to do things we don't want to do.
Full disclosure, I couldn't have done a mile 50+ years ago and I wasn't out of shape by any stretch. It was eight times around the track.

Now, back then the PE teachers wouldn't have us stretch or even build up to it. One day we were in the gym doing calisthenics and the next class was mile run day. The only ones to finish it were the track guys.
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Old 02-14-2024, 04:51 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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So it was during the Vietnam War era. I've been told that expecting boys to do things nude in that era was to prepare them for the military. In your case, it sounds like more of a punishment for not having a proper swimsuit for gym class. I guess for students who don't care about grades, a 0 for the day won't be an incentive, but having to swim nude may have been a stronger incentive to bring a swimsuit.



Why were so many students excused from the mile run?
No, those were not the reasons at all. This school was built in 1916. Most boys did not have bathing suits over the decades before I got there in the late 1960s. People in this town swam in a river that ran through the town. We always wore cutoff jeans when we swam in the river because you sat and laid on large rocks along the river. The story I heard was if boys wore their cutoff jeans in the pool, the pool filter would get clogged from the fibers from the cutoffs. My understanding was it became more common to wear a bathing suit during the 1960s. I arrived at this junior high in 1967. There were always a few guys swimming nude in my weekly swim classes.

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Full disclosure, I couldn't have done a mile 50+ years ago and I wasn't out of shape by any stretch. It was eight times around the track.

Now, back then the PE teachers wouldn't have us stretch or even build up to it. One day we were in the gym doing calisthenics and the next class was mile run day. The only ones to finish it were the track guys.
You must not have had a track around a football field. Those tracks were always four laps equaled a mile. I didn't have to run a mile in HS. Our track was several miles from the HS. The only running I remember in HS was a timed 600 yard run around the parking lot.
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:16 PM
 
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No, those were not the reasons at all. This school was built in 1916. Most boys did not have bathing suits over the decades before I got there in the late 1960s. People in this town swam in a river that ran through the town. We always wore cutoff jeans when we swam in the river because you sat and laid on large rocks along the river. The story I heard was if boys wore their cutoff jeans in the pool, the pool filter would get clogged from the fibers from the cutoffs. My understanding was it became more common to wear a bathing suit during the 1960s. I arrived at this junior high in 1967. There were always a few guys swimming nude in my weekly swim classes.



You must not have had a track around a football field. Those tracks were always four laps equaled a mile. I didn't have to run a mile in HS. Our track was several miles from the HS. The only running I remember in HS was a timed 600 yard run around the parking lot.
It was. You'd know which one if I told you. Maybe it was four.
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:31 PM
 
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I was in jr. high in the 80s. Just about everyone could run a mile in my gym class. And someone is in pretty bad shape if they can't make it eventually. Just walk when you can't run anymore, which any non-handicapped should be able to do pretty easily.

Maybe it was two miles (eight laps) 50 years ago? That would make more sense, though I'd cringe at anyone who can't at least walk that too.
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Old 02-14-2024, 08:18 PM
 
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TNFF, I don't like quoting your whole post because I'd need to go back and edit so much of it.

Most parents don't even know what classes their kid is taking, that's for the good kids. The poorer students the parents don't even know their kids are supposed to be in school.

A recent vignette from where I grew up in Pennsylvania:
A delegation of parents and residents recently went to a School Board meeting to protest a course. A couple hours of testimony ensued. Of course the School Board was clue less so the Superintendent had to handle the protest. Turned out the class they were complaining about wasn't even taught or being considered. They'd read a story about some school
system in California.

Your school system seems to do things ass backwards. Most Middle Schools will have one year of Music, one year of a Practical Art (that could be Home Ec or Shop or a couple others. My system cycled kids through those quarterly so everyone got each of the four) with that third year as student choice (although often that was the first year for a foreign language for many of the kids).

JROTC, unless it's changed, is a high school program.
Didn't say it wasn't a high school program. Just pointing out that there are ways to solve the "lack of time" problem provided there was a desire to teach the things that mattered. Considering the OP asked why some topics weren't taught, that comes with an implied question of whether they should be taught. That's the basic discussion we should have. Then, if they are considered something that should be taught in school, the question becomes one of priorities -- whether they are more or less important than other subjects.
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:31 PM
 
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Full disclosure, I couldn't have done a mile 50+ years ago and I wasn't out of shape by any stretch. It was eight times around the track.

Now, back then the PE teachers wouldn't have us stretch or even build up to it. One day we were in the gym doing calisthenics and the next class was mile run day.
That is a good point.

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The only ones to finish it were the track guys.
That's surprising since, when I was in school, everybody was able to finish the mile run, even if it took us a while. Even if we had to walk for much of the time.
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Old 02-15-2024, 04:16 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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That is a good point.



That's surprising since, when I was in school, everybody was able to finish the mile run, even if it took us a while. Even if we had to walk for much of the time.
As the PE teacher, who also couldn't do it, would tell us, "It's a run, not a walk". A lot of us would walk eight or ten miles rabbit hunting.

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Old 02-15-2024, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Sunnybrook Farm
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I was the fat soft kid. I COULD HAVE run a mile without stopping, but I wouldn't have, because it was uncomfortable.

Today at 60+, I could step out my front door and knock off three or four 9 minute miles without discomfort. After that my beat-up old feet would be complaining but I still wouldn't be out of breath.

I'm glad I discovered the benefits of physical activity although it wasn't in high school.
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Old 02-15-2024, 07:49 AM
 
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-High schools not offering many classes on the trades, driver's ed, or ANY skills on money management
-No classes on impulse control, self-discipline, conflict resolution, etc.
-University not offering job training or white-collar apprenticeships, forcing graduates into the catch-22 involving jobs and job experience (I'm sure you know exactly what I am talking about).

Why?

Serious question.
Better question: Why are parents failing to teach this stuff? It’s not up to teachers to step in for inadequate parenting.
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