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Old 03-01-2024, 03:49 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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What existing requirement are the proposing be removed in favor of "life skills"
Why not simply replace one elective?

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Everything I learned that was of any value occurred outside of school. School was just a place to talk w/ your buddies and meet girls. Oh, and to grab a smoke.

Yes, we had a smoking area in high school. So I guess I did learn something. Mostly, which end of the cigarette to hold in my mouth. It was still easy to get confused if Betty Sue bent over in that halter top, which led to the invention of Camel cigarettes. Either end worked fine.
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In other words, YOU didn't take advantage of your opportunities.
Yeah, I’m surprised folks appear to be advocating/boasting about ‘doing nothing’ in high-school, as if they’re 15 again and smoking is still cool. I’d suggest a ‘life skills’ class, per the thread, regarding the health effects (and expense) of smoking, alcohol and weed (as well as the psychological dysfunction and lack of career success often associated with long-term, regular use of such).
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Old 03-01-2024, 08:24 PM
 
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We have a ready-made experiment to test your hypothesis. Some states have collective bargaining in public education and some prohibit it.

So do states with collective bargaining like Minnesota have less STEM and CTE classes than states like Alabama which prohibit it? Run the numbers and let us know.

What schools do is make teachers with expertise in other fields teach a STEM class.


When I was in school, any teacher who wanted to coach a team had to teach a math class.
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Old 03-01-2024, 08:42 PM
 
Location: WA
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What schools do is make teachers with expertise in other fields teach a STEM class.

But is this sort of thing the result of UNIONS which was the original claim?

I would suggest that non-union states actually have worse STEM and CTE offerings because they generally have lower pay and benefits than unionized states, and therefore, have a harder time attracting people from industry to teach STEM and CTE classes.

I think you will find that districts using uncertified teachers to teach things they aren't qualified to teach is a far more common phenomenon in states that are not unionized. Rather than the opposite.
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Old 03-02-2024, 11:31 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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What schools do is make teachers with expertise in other fields teach a STEM class.


When I was in school, any teacher who wanted to coach a team had to teach a math class.
I question the accuracy of that. Math teachers are certified to teach math. They would run out of potential coaches if they all had to be math teachers.

If math teachers also have experience coaching a particular sport, that is more of a coincidence. Many coaches today are not even teachers.
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Old 03-02-2024, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I question the accuracy of that. Math teachers are certified to teach math. They would run out of potential coaches if they all had to be math teachers.

If math teachers also have experience coaching a particular sport, that is more of a coincidence. Many coaches today are not even teachers.
I tend to agree with you. It certainly would not have been allowed in any of schools I taught or administrated in in New York State, Maryland, or Virginia. I was certified in earth science, and once had to teach a class in below-average ability biology and once in American history. But even then I was certified in general science (as well as earth science), and the history class was an exceptional situation based on severe budget cuts.
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Old 03-09-2024, 08:15 AM
 
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It's very odd watching people who went to school half a century or more ago use their half remembered experiences to argue about schools today.
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Old 03-09-2024, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's very odd watching people who went to school half a century or more ago use their half remembered experiences to argue about schools today.
This from a history nerd?
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Old 03-09-2024, 08:28 AM
 
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This from a history nerd?
History is in large part a study of change. Sure, their anecdotes are interesting and there are probably things that could be learned from them, but their imag8nings of schools today simply aren't relevant, especially when the topic is "schools STILL don't..."
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Old 03-09-2024, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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History is in large part a study of change. Sure, their anecdotes are interesting and there are probably things that could be learned from them, but their imag8nings of schools today simply aren't relevant, especially when the topic is "schools STILL don't..."
Okay. It's just as much of a mistake for people to be posting opinions of (for example) inner city schools...when they've never been in one; schools in Iowa farm country...if they've never been in one; schools in Alabama when you live in New York City (or vice-versa); teacher pay when it varies so much across the country; teacher retirement when it varies state by state and even district by district within the same state; teacher certification rules which vary substantially from state to state...
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Old 03-09-2024, 09:08 AM
 
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Okay. It's just as much of a mistake for people to be posting opinions of (for example) inner city schools...when they've never been in one; schools in Iowa farm country...if they've never been in one; schools in Alabama when you live in New York City (or vice-versa); teacher pay when it varies so much across the country; teacher retirement when it varies state by state and even district by district within the same state; teacher certification rules which vary substantially from state to state...
I'm not upset, I just wasn't expecting to read about the invention of camel cigarettes or the merits of cauldron girls.
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