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Old 03-20-2024, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yes, and the vast majority of those children are not engaged in quality home-schooling with stay-home parents.

They are doing things like staying home caring for young children when parents can't afford daycare, or just working rather than attending school. Or just doing nothing at all.
I hate to think of the "science" that many home schoolers are learning.
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Old 03-20-2024, 09:38 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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I hate to think of the "science" that many home schoolers are learning.
I've had the opportunity to observe many social studies student teachers. I'm shocked at how little they know about the subjects they are supposed to be teaching. I wonder about the subject knowledge of an average parent who did not go to college or graduated from high school twenty years ago.

A parent might be able to be successful if the child wants to learn and has average intelligence. Where the typical parent will struggle is not being able to recognize learning issues such as evaluating the reading ability or math proficiency at a certain age.
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Old 03-20-2024, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I've had the opportunity to observe many social studies student teachers. I'm shocked at how little they know about the subjects they are supposed to be teaching. I wonder about the subject knowledge of an average parent who did not go to college or graduated from high school twenty years ago.

A parent might be able to be successful if the child wants to learn and has average intelligence. Where the typical parent will struggle is not being able to recognize learning issues such as evaluating the reading ability or math proficiency at a certain age.
Particularly in subjects since as chemistry, physics, and higher level math courses. And the labs!
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Old 03-21-2024, 06:20 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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And that's fine. The question is whether it's a long or short term change. When it comes to anything related to covid I make no predictions.
It's already long term- since 2020
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Old 03-21-2024, 06:24 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Yes, and the vast majority of those children are not engaged in quality home-schooling with stay-home parents.

They are doing things like staying home caring for young children when parents can't afford daycare, or just working rather than attending school. Or just doing nothing at all.

Charter and private schools - they aren't all staying home doing nothing.
Charter and private schools had double digit increase in enrollment since 2020
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Old 03-21-2024, 07:56 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Particularly in subjects since as chemistry, physics, and higher level math courses. And the labs!
People who excel in those areas go into private industry - the pay, the benefits, the challenge
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Old 03-21-2024, 10:00 AM
 
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I hate to think of the "science" that many home schoolers are learning.
You definitely don't want to review the data! (and obviously you do not anyway) (No secret here for this poster )

https://www.act.org/content/dam/act/...ief-2015-2.pdf
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ794828.pdf
https://wehavekids.com/education/Do-...etter-on-Tests
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91
"Students whose parents both had a college degree performed better than those who had no parent with a college degree. However, this correlation is generally weaker for homeschool students than for public school students.

The homeschooled students whose parents did not have college degrees still performed at the 83rd percentile."

According to this study, homeschoolers have significantly higher test scores than the national average.
Of course the very conservative Homeschool data from their own groups has much higher and more complete (and honest) reports, which I did not post, due to 'confirmation bias' among our CTA 'professionals' here.
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Old 03-21-2024, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's already long term- since 2020
We are still in the early phases of the post-covid environment. I do not trust the current cultural reactions to many things.
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Old 03-21-2024, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Charter and private schools - they aren't all staying home doing nothing.
Charter and private schools had double digit increase in enrollment since 2020
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...r/72937532007/
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Old 03-21-2024, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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People who excel in those areas go into private industry - the pay, the benefits, the challenge
That has nothing to do with my post.
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