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Old 09-28-2009, 04:31 PM
 
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Our school is apparently conducting benchmark testing and instruction in the same classroom simultaneously due to lack of space. At what point does a state education agency typically decide that crowding is having a detrimental effect on education?
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:07 PM
 
Location: New York
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Idk, when I first entered High School (in 2006) it was severely overcrowded, there was over 4,000 students now there's close to 3,000 and still slightly overcrowded, its slated to close anyway lol.

I know in NY it seems as if they don't care if its overcrowded or not.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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At what point does a state education agency typically decide that crowding is having a detrimental effect on education?
Probably at the state-mandated limits for classroom size. But, I am sure there is some legislative process to decide to increase the limits if they want to.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:43 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Our school is apparently conducting benchmark testing and instruction in the same classroom simultaneously due to lack of space. At what point does a state education agency typically decide that crowding is having a detrimental effect on education?

In MD, never. Class size has been declared a non-negotiable item as it is not salary, hours or a working condition.
Until 3 years ago my school was at 155% of capacity, the high school my kids attended was at 140%. Both schools had a couple dozen transportables.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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As far as I know, it's the student to teacher ratio they worry about not how many students are in a class. My daughter has been in classes with as many as 56 students but there would be more than one teacher.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Fort Smith, Arkansas
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In Arkansas, the maximum class size is set at 30 and the maximum students per day is 150.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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In Arkansas, the maximum class size is set at 30 and the maximum students per day is 150.
I started the year last year (my first year teaching) with over 200 students in six classes. I like your state. To keep me under 150, you'd have to reduce my class sizes to 25. That sounds like heaven.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:21 PM
 
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In Texas, K-4 has a cap of 22 (which can be waived). After that, there is no cap but a student:teacher ratio of 20:1. It appears that this is addressed by switching teachers during the day. Ex. The 5th grade classes at this campus are 30+ and only have one teacher in the classroom at a time. But stuffing classrooms only goes so far, given that this campus has resorted to double booking classrooms. And now it seems apparent that our district doesn't have funds to build a new school nearby or even expand our campus. (The school district owns sufficient land to do both.)

It's ironic that this overcrowding issue at our school surfaced when there's talk of expanding the school year.
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