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Old 09-06-2009, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Young children need a regular set of rules to live by both at home and at school. Otherwise they will try to push the limits of what's acceptable and behave at that limit. Young children need structure in their lives. As they get older you give them a little more freedom. Though many kids say they hate school, they can't wait to go back to school at the end of a long boring holiday vacation.
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Old 09-06-2009, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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My kids like school overall. Their biggest complaint is the amount of time wasted each day. If they have to go to school they'd at least like it to be more efficient. Less socializing, less drama, less of the teacher trying to be buddies....just get to the lesson and the homework assignment already. One of my kids is a very independent learner and he rarely needs 'instruction'. He can read the material and do his own work so when the teacher is simply parroting the textbook it makes him absolutely crazy. He can read, he doesn't need the teacher to read to him. Add to that, the stupid rules like, you can't do homework in class, you have to take notes the way the teacher wants you to take them even if it isn't the best way for you to retain/study information, same with organizing a notebook, etc. It seems much of the rules are to make life easier for the teacher rather than teach the students how to organize and manage the information from the classroom.
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Old 09-06-2009, 07:59 PM
 
Location: in my mind
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My kids like school overall. Their biggest complaint is the amount of time wasted each day. If they have to go to school they'd at least like it to be more efficient. Less socializing, less drama, less of the teacher trying to be buddies....just get to the lesson and the homework assignment already. One of my kids is a very independent learner and he rarely needs 'instruction'. He can read the material and do his own work so when the teacher is simply parroting the textbook it makes him absolutely crazy. He can read, he doesn't need the teacher to read to him. Add to that, the stupid rules like, you can't do homework in class, you have to take notes the way the teacher wants you to take them even if it isn't the best way for you to retain/study information, same with organizing a notebook, etc. It seems much of the rules are to make life easier for the teacher rather than teach the students how to organize and manage the information from the classroom.
This is a biggie in my book. I got through high school (well, almost all of it, lol) without having a clue about how to best take notes. I was just used to copying the "notes" off the board or following the teacher's instructions to a T. I had no idea how to take notes from a lecture, something that is CRUCIAL when you go to college.

I had to totally learn this on my own, and I'm still learning it really. I am also teaching it to my kids since they don't seem to have gotten much valuable info on this in school either (the 17 and 11 year olds)... teachers are still doing it the way they did it when I was in school which is, IMO, useless.
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Old 09-06-2009, 08:09 PM
 
Location: New York
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I still hate school to this day:

I know I could learn everything by just reading a text book so school is a waste of time for me
Its so boring
Its 5 days a week
Gym
Homework
Consumes to much of my time
It takes me over an hour to get there + an hour to get back home (that's like 2.5 extra periods)
I'm forced to work with "slower" students (I have no problem because I like helping others but I hate having to carry the whole group when I could do a group's worth of work faster by myself).

I'm so glad I'm gonna be a senior when school starts, but I'm so mad it has to start in the first place, this is the 12th grade so I have all this college/SAT nonsense to do.
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Old 09-07-2009, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I think there is an assumption that all kids learn the same way. If there were classes for "left handed thinkers" and classes for "right handed thinkers" and the exact same material was presented in different ways for each group, I bet each group learns more not having the others in their classes.
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Old 09-07-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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I think there is an assumption that all kids learn the same way. If there were classes for "left handed thinkers" and classes for "right handed thinkers" and the exact same material was presented in different ways for each group, I bet each group learns more not having the others in their classes.
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It turns out, Willingham said, that the processes by which children learn are far more similar than different. So that many of the efforts teachers make to help kids learn through different “learning styles†don’t really help.
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
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My kids like school overall. Their biggest complaint is the amount of time wasted each day. If they have to go to school they'd at least like it to be more efficient. Less socializing, less drama, less of the teacher trying to be buddies....just get to the lesson and the homework assignment already. One of my kids is a very independent learner and he rarely needs 'instruction'. He can read the material and do his own work so when the teacher is simply parroting the textbook it makes him absolutely crazy. He can read, he doesn't need the teacher to read to him. Add to that, the stupid rules like, you can't do homework in class, you have to take notes the way the teacher wants you to take them even if it isn't the best way for you to retain/study information, same with organizing a notebook, etc. It seems much of the rules are to make life easier for the teacher rather than teach the students how to organize and manage the information from the classroom.
I think this is an example of schools holding the smartest kids back.

-These policies kill any initiative or drive students may have. They may want to do their homework in class, but they "can't", for whatever inane reason. They're held back to the laziest of children, who doesnt want to do homework in class. The two students become equal.

Multiply that over 9 months of the year, for 12 years, the system is designed to kill any innate drive you may have.
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Old 10-16-2009, 01:13 AM
 
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I have a son who is in high school who use to be one of those kids who just hated school. I was determined as a parent to find the right school for him and remove him from his misery as quickly as possible before things got any worse. I always knew he had that passion to learn inside of him but some teachers just went about it the wrong way. LauraC is exactly correct. NOT every kid learns the same way. It doesn't necessary mean that one is kid is smarter than another, but some just learn differently. In my search of schools, I came across an amazing author named Alfie Kohn. Articles by Alfie Kohn
Very controversial but IMO, he knows exactly what kids need in order to love learning and love school as well. I did fortunately find a school with Alfie Kohn's philosophy in my area and the results have been astonishing. I finally have a happy teenager (not easy) who loves school and wished he could stay there forever. The right school for your child can really make a difference, especially in their attitude. Now I know why these online high schools are gaining popularity..... More and more unhappy kids!
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Old 10-16-2009, 01:29 AM
 
Location: southern california
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the human animal is not prone to discipline or learning. we are born monkey like and only avoid becoming large aggressive apes by lots of punishment and discipline.
strangly except for cops and military, we have utterly lost sight of this simple fact of life.
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Old 10-16-2009, 02:06 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on Earth
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For myself, I hated school because of the amount of time it took on my life. 7+ hours of going to school to learn and the X amount of hours spent each night doing homework and studying. And all for what? To achieve the 1st letter of the alphabet on a slip of paper. And sadly, that determines our intelligence and value in society.

And half the time, I felt that going to school was quite pointless. I'm going to school so teachers could tell me what I could learn when I could just get it out from the textbook? Thanks, but why don't I just stay home and read the textbook instead?
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