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The problem is whether or not special education for much above average kids can be done with technology.
If it can, then lots of smart but poor kids might be better educated than lots of well to do but not so bright kids. What would that do to the social structure in a couple of generations?
psik
Does "well to do" mean that they work hard/attempt to succeed?
Hrrm... don't most schools have gifted programs now? At least a lot? I'm not sure how it should be different post school though...
Not so much gifted as that is really few and far between but certainly above average most schools have advanced programs. Watched a program on gifted testing and the child involved was very smart but in the end not gifted. He could easily do college higher course math but determined to not be gifted but certainly advanced especially in his studies. He was like 13 year old.
From the context I'm thinking well to do=not poor.
I was thinking more like in the top 5% of net worth. I have met a few millionaires that didn't seem exactly brilliant. What happens when someone is in a position where they can hire people smarter than themselves. But if the children in the lower economic 50% have the same intelligence distribution as the upper 50% and the bright kids can be given good but cheap automated education then what will happen?
I find it peculiar that we haven't had a great reading list for kids since the 50s or 60s.
I was thinking more like in the top 5% of net worth. I have met a few millionaires that didn't seem exactly brilliant. What happens when someone is in a position where they can hire people smarter than themselves. But if the children in the lower economic 50% have the same intelligence distribution as the upper 50% and the bright kids can be given good but cheap automated education then what will happen?
I find it peculiar that we haven't had a great reading list for kids since the 50s or 60s.
Educators I have talked to don't seem enthusiastic about the idea.
psik
I can tell you that unless their parents stress the importance of that education or they are motivated to learn not much will happen.
I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with reading lists, but I will tell you 3 times a year I formally assess my students reading levels and then provide them with a recommended reading list based on the results. In the world of reading there is not a one size fits all list.
I can tell you that unless their parents stress the importance of that education or they are motivated to learn not much will happen.
I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with reading lists, but I will tell you 3 times a year I formally assess my students reading levels and then provide them with a recommended reading list based on the results. In the world of reading there is not a one size fits all list.
First of all, not all kids care that much about what their parents think. My mother called my SF books "something crazy". I kept reading them. Part of it was the books were giving me so much information faster than school and my parents. Most of my science education in grade school was influenced by SF because the nitwit nuns never used the science books they had sitting on the shelves. They didn't use the algebra books they gave us either.
But it is not like all books are equally good. The marketing blurbs don't mean squat. Most people today think Star Wars is science fiction. The Hunger Games is hardly any better though it can't be accused of being fantasy.
I don't think one size fits all either. I am thinking of 100 books for kindergarten, 200 for first grade, 300 for second grade, etc. By 12 grade that would be almost 10,000 books. I am not suggesting kids read all of the books, but select from that group. But 10,000 well selected books from the hundreds of thousands out there would mean saving kids huge amounts of time by filtering out the garbage.
I wish someone had told me about this when I was in high school:
Instead I was supposed to read Catcher in the Rye.
We have all of this talk about children being the future but then have them read stuff focused on the past. SF does not predict the future, but good SF is thought experiments about possible futures. To an extent this global warming business is kind of funny with so many people not seeing the obvious.
What you fail to realize is most students don't read on their grade level. Some are above and many are below. How would a list for 4th grade be helpful when most don't read on a 4th grade level? That's why I provide leveled lists to my students.
What you fail to realize is most students don't read on their grade level. Some are above and many are below. How would a list for 4th grade be helpful when most don't read on a 4th grade level? That's why I provide leveled lists to my students.
Why do you think I don't realize that?
This thread is about high IQ kids. It is not about MOST STUDENTS. According to psychologists 75% of the population scores below 111.
It was in 4th grade that I got hooked on SF. My first SF book is now in the public domain.
The title of the movie Blade Runner came from a book by Nourse.
How will we ever know how many students read below grade level because the educational system only gives kids boring crap to read? I have occasionally gotten the impression that a lot of teachers don't like high IQ kids. So they are left to conform to the average boring crap. Such a list might even make them less troublesome if they can move forward without help.
IQ is not considered high until 120+ but that's different thread. Also 85% of the population falls between 85-115 but again that's a different thread.
Also when determining reading levels students are given a choice of books becuase it is well known intrest impacts reading. However, in the adult world you have to read and understand things you don't like as well which is why it is important to teach using a wide variety of text..
May I ask what you do for a living?
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