How Safe is El Paso Really in Relation to the Recent Televised Violence of Ciudad Juarez? (Houston: houses, income)

[TigerLily24]

Originally Posted by 1nyskibum

As a recent Ft. Bliss General was quoted...why would they mess up a good thing an f*c* with the US Army. In about five minutes every border entry in this region would be shut tight virtually eliminating the cartel pipeline to cash, weapons and money laundering in ELP. We've lived here for a little over a year and there is so much protection here that we have no idea exists that there's no wonder why its the safest city of its size in the US.

^^This.
Sure, there may be an incident now and again, but, wholesale mayhem like what's happening over the border, not going to happen.

[mistabinks]

Yep, local law enforcement agencies do a great job.

[AmberAzeneth]

Originally Posted by mistabinks

Yep, local law enforcement agencies do a great job.

^^^That is great. Does this keep the concern concensus lowered of the violence spilling over? Going by the majority of the different posts in different threads, El Paso seems exceedingly safe for a metroploitan area of its size. That is great in my book.

[ocean2026]

El Paso is pretty safe - I've walked in all the old neighborhoods and have a house in one of them. Malamute you ought to be smart enough to not use anecdotal evidence to make a case especially in an area of over 700,000 people. If you don't understand what I'm saying, spend a few minutes where you can actually learn something before posting and you can really add to the knowledge base.

Examples of anecdotal evidence;

"The Yugo was not such a bad car, my uncle's neighbor had one and it seemed to run ok (but out of 200,000 sold maybe half broke down)"

"Nazis were good people - I heard about one who would always feed and pet his dog"

"Lions are really gentle creatures who would never harm anyone or anything- I saw this trainer at the zoo hugging a big lion who was actually purring"

Finally "All crime statistics point to El Paso being one of the safer cities for violent crime, yes but malamute read about a murder in the paper" Get it?

OF course my example of walking in all the old neighborhoods and living in one is not much better and still anecdotal although over many years perhaps less so.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

El Paso is pretty safe - I've walked in all the old neighborhoods and have a house in one of them. Malamute you ought to be smart enough to not use anecdotal evidence to make a case especially in an area of over 700,000 people. If you don't understand what I'm saying, spend a few minutes where you can actually learn something before posting and you can really add to the knowledge base.

OF course my example of walking in all the old neighborhoods and living in one is not much better and still anecdotal although over many years perhaps less so.

Actually I provided a link to an actual case. Yours is just anecdotal.

I also walk around unworried, and really who would feel the need to lock their doors at night here but it's not just about us who have no enemies, I certainly know actual people who disappeared out of here to be found dead in Juarez. But yes they owed money to someone and got involved in things they shouldn't have done but it's doubtful they went to Juarez all on their own accord.

And it's true that as long as the body gets found in Juarez that it only counts as a Juarez crime. The only problem in that Horizon case was there were witnesses and the kidnappers boasted. Otherwise that would be just another non-statistic.

[mistabinks]

Originally Posted by malamute

And it's true that as long as the body gets found in Juarez that it only counts as a Juarez crime.

As it should be. That is not a case of cooking the books. It should only be counted as an El Paso statistic if there is concrete evidence that the crime took place here and the body was transported to Juarez. Otherwise, it's speculation.

[ocean2026]

Malamute - you obviously have no ability to learn. You "Posted an actual case whoopie that shows you don't understand the concept and even though I'm a former teacher trying to educate you is a hopeless case.

Even if the case of the lion being petted at the zoo was DOCUMENTED, PHOTOGRAPHED, and SWORN TO BY 100 onlookers it would be ANECDOTAL. One instance doesn't make a case. You're using the term incorrectly and not its scientific use. Read through the examples I gave and even if each were proved it would still be unreliable.

Here's another term "STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT" Malamute fill in the blanks. "If you use one murder to prove a city of 700,000 is unsafe that one murder would be S_________________ I_________________.

[kidicarus89]

Originally Posted by LondonUSA

In Juarez there is so much violence and trouble. Do you worry that it will spill over the border?

No, because 1) There is no incentive for cartels to spread that type of violence over here, and 2) The U.S. has a far more capable and efficient law enforcement system in place.

The cartels are not terrorists. They don't create violence for the sake of doing damage. They have very specific goals in mind, and they wouldn't want to sabotage those goals by bringing violence onto this side of the border. (Granted, cartels already do have presences in every major U.S. city anyway).

[goliadh]

El Paso is very safe from outright violence. However, the presence of cartels and drug traffic is palpable in terms of stash houses, money laundering, and corruption.

You do have to wonder about neighbors who keep to themselves and have a lot of unusual traffic in and out of their houses.
You have to wonder, if someone seems prosperous and yet has no visible source of income, how are they getting rich?
And if so many people have been killed in a turf war over ACCESS to El Paso transit routes, you do have to wonder how much is coming through and who is letting this get through.

I don't mean to sound paranoid. El Paso is safe, and you are more likely to encounter violent crime in major other major metro areas. But the psychic scars are there. Many El Pasoans, at least those who are long-time residents with roots here, know of someone who has been killed, at times in gruesome ways. And many of us feel bound by family, work, education, church work or other responsibilities to continue to visit Juarez.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by mistabinks

As it should be. That is not a case of cooking the books. It should only be counted as an El Paso statistic if there is concrete evidence that the crime took place here and the body was transported to Juarez. Otherwise, it's speculation.

Or it happened but doesn't get included in the statistics because it's so very very easily done.

Really if I wanted to murder someone, I would and just stuff the body in the trunk of my car and get it over to Juarez and dump it. What I'd probably do is just beat them up and take them to Juarez while still alive just in case I got caught before getting over there.

It would be interesting to see the stats on how many so-called El Pasoans have been murdered in Juarez because that would show how many people living here are seriously involved in the cartel activities. Some of the kidnappers and sicarios are straight out of El Paso. Juarez really is our sister city. Like it or not.