Fox News - Hannity Report on Border Violence in EP (El Paso: apartment, renting)

[Muhnay]

Did anyone see that Special on Fox News the other night where they were discussing the violence on the border?

They said 600 cops were killed on the Mexico/California Border, and in El Paso TX it was the worst with over 1000 killed. Thats just cops. The people who were talking and speaking on this said this is just the beginning, and they expect it to get much worse.

[HookTheBrotherUp]

I think you will see even larger numbers of deaths in general in 2009. This year, 2009, is going to be difficult. Companies now returning back to work after the holidays will begin to cut people, you will see.

The effect this is having is many people on the bottom of the totem pole go first, so you will see lots of illegal immigrants without jobs, and returning to their home that has no jobs to begin with.

I think crime will rise, people will turn to sell drugs as it seems there is always a market for it, so the cartels will continue to fight for the territory. The illegal drug trade in Mexico is in the tens of billions, and rivals oil and tourism in terms of dollars into Mexico. Think about that number for a minute. Most of it coming through the border cities, no wonder they are killing left and right.

BTW, I've been involved, and employed long enough to know what the current trend for companies is... this does not apply to all, but just be weary if your company forces you to take vacations, what is coming down the pipe is layoffs. Companies cannot afford to lay you off, and pay you for your vacation too, so they are making people take it early so they are not straddled with that burden come layoff time. I know of a few people that have already been forced to take anywhere form 5 to 15 days of vacation, depending on how much vacation they can bank.

'Sorry to veer off topic.

[Muhnay]

Naw hook, your not off topic at all man... it all ties together. Hard Times = drugs, = more cartel killing and death.. there is money to be made on peoples sorrow and these bleeping bleeps wont stop now when its PAY DAY in sorrow.

[malamute]

I also believe it's going to get much worse. One reason is that so many people in Juarez who can will simply pack up and move to the USA, that means business owners, middle class, long time Juarez residents, professional types, taxpayers. What does that do for the stability of that city when the ones leaving -- and it seems to be a stampede -- are the ones who would make for stability while the ones moving in from the south parts of Mexico and Central America are often desperately poor, have no social safety network, will not be paying taxes to support any kind of infrastructure.

Another reason, who in their right mind would want to be a cop over there now. That makes for a pretty bad situation. Military brought in from other parts of the country aren't going to have the "local" attitude that your friendly neighborhood cop might have. Even if the cops were on the take before, they were part of the city, they were from that city and not all were that crooked.

With businesses closing as the business owner types relocate to El Paso and the shoppers relocate to El Paso, and the restaurant goers relocate to El Paso, people will become all the more desperate. The violence will have at least some kind of enforcement over the border because people here will want at least some border enforcement if things get much worse and if the drugs don't get into the USA, then they get sold on Juarez streets -- meth is already a big and growing problem over there.

[Muhnay]

Relocate to El Paso.. not unless they are US citizens Mi Amigo. If they relocate at all it will be further into Mexico where it is safer.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Muhnay

Relocate to El Paso.. not unless they are US citizens Mi Amigo. If they relocate at all it will be further into Mexico where it is safer.

A whole lot of people in Juarez were born in El Paso, there has always been that attitude of get the US birth certificate "in case", and many have families here that can and will bring them in by sponsoring them, plus there are the legal visas, work visas, visitor visas, shopping passes and whatever that get them over the border and after that, there's not much stopping them from renting an apartment or getting a job. Plus there are ways to get over without a visa at all.

[malamute]

Tony Payan wrote a whole book about how it works in El Paso - Ciudad Juarez

The Three U.S.-Mexico Border Wars ... - Google Book Search


He describes how the hospitals and maternity clinics here assist in this process by making it very easy for the residents of Juarez who want to get this kind of "American-dream-insurance-if-things-don't-turn-out-well-in-Mexico" by offering them all sorts of installment plans for a USA delivery of a baby.

I remember in the last Chihuahua governor election the American birth of one of the candidates was an issue.

[piyf]

Hurry up with the fence. OT, but I got lost the other day and drove by the fence and there were protesters with signs reading don't build the fence. Chinga, shut up.

[Old Gringo]

Originally Posted by Muhnay

Did anyone see that Special on Fox News the other night where they were discussing the violence on the border?

They said 600 cops were killed on the Mexico/California Border, and in El Paso TX it was the worst with over 1000 killed. Thats just cops.

There hasn't been a single police officer killed in El Paso for the past couple of years.

Perhaps what Hannity should have reported is that all of those killings were in Juarez, Mexico. But that sounds like the usual Hannity agenda. Sensationalize rather than accurize.

The people who were talking and speaking on this said this is just the beginning, and they expect it to get much worse.

Again, if the report would have stated Mexico, it would have been accurate. Mexico is coming apart at the seams and there isn't a taylor anywhere in sight.

[fakeguy]

Originally Posted by Old Gringo

There hasn't been a single police officer killed in El Paso for the past couple of years.

Perhaps what Hannity should have reported is that all of those killings were in Juarez, Mexico. But that sounds like the usual Hannity agenda. Sensationalize rather than accurize.



Again, if the report would have stated Mexico, it would have been accurate. Mexico is coming apart at the seams and there isn't a taylor anywhere in sight.

This is exactly the reason I don't watch Faux (Fox) News.