03-19-2010, 07:41 AM
Location: El Paso, Texas
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Can anyone answer why history in el paso has not been properly recognized???
Im talking about old west legends & the life of these first el paso madams..
I was shocked too find out that the famous "Acme Saloon" where El Paso's John Wesley Hardin was murdered, is now a ****en dollar store???
I mean a ****en dollar store??? are you serious??? That place is history...****, why did'nt anybody preserve the saloon & open it up as a museum/tourist spot... I mean these are places that not many other gun fighting towns can say they actually still have standing... And all the city did to this place was put a ****en "plack" on the wall.. I know we have an El Paso Musuem, but theres nothing like the actual place itself to give you a feel of what the old west really was...Somebodys life was taken there, at that a notorious legend like John Wesley Hardin..
That's Not All
The Alice Abbott story a.k.a Big Alice and Madame Etta Clark..Can you believe these two women ****en battled it out and Etta actually tryed to smoke Big Alice..Shoot, they were running brothels a.k.a parlor houses here in the city on what was Utah Street now supposedly Mesa street..I mean where the **** are these places??What happened??? Women were selling themselves, struggling, & regulators were at full force at that time.....People say El paso dont have **** , but we actually do have an immense history that tells so much about us.. And if they only did things the right way there would be so much to see in this Old West City...
i just think we lose out on so much..This city had so much to hold on too..But they **** it up, by not giving a **** & building dumb ass **** like a ****en "dollar store" over history that will never repeat itself again....
someone run this down for me
03-19-2010, 07:55 AM
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China Town
El Paso also had a large China Town, repleat with opium dens where many citizens, affluent especially, used to light up. This was during the era when the railroads were being built. Not exactly great news, but a colorful past nonetheless.
03-19-2010, 07:57 AM
Location: Where I live.
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In a word.....money and the political unwillingness to preserve.
03-19-2010, 08:07 AM
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Shortsightedness. El Paso will always try to imitate some other kind of city and destroy it's own uniqueness.
03-19-2010, 11:43 AM
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Gene Roddenberry's old house on East Yandell at Eucalyptus was torn down and replaced with a storefront by the owner who's not a "Star Trek" fan, had never even heard of the show, and didn't know the house's history. At least the house Sandra Day O'Connor grew up in has been preserved. I wonder if Debbie Reynolds' original house is still there.
03-21-2010, 03:12 AM
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Forget about El Paso's history. At least we can still find it in written records. I'd be fine if the people here focused more on the future instead of the past because this place needs it. Make this the first respectable hispanic majority town and it would be an accomplishment. But that's something for future generations to contend with. But in my time, I've given up on the place and it just chafes my ass at this point. And yes, I am still stuck here. Damn the economy.
03-22-2010, 10:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Texas Eyes
Can anyone answer why history in el paso has not been properly recognized???
Restoration and preservation costs money. Who do you propose pay for all the historic preservation you desire?
03-25-2010, 12:41 PM
Location: El Paso, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Matthew915
Restoration and preservation costs money. Who do you propose pay for all the historic preservation you desire?
Very good observation. People often complain how come things are not done in the City. How many people are willing to pay for special funding for programs like this one. It is great to preserve our history. I am a history buff but I am aware the it is expensive and often put at lower priority.
Most of this programs are mostly funded by citizens organizations and to a lower degree by the city.
You have a great day.
El Amigo
03-26-2010, 04:12 PM
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I think the city used eminent domain to confiscate Albert Fall's old mansion on Arizona at East Cliff from the owner who said he wanted to restore it but was letting it deteriorate. (For those who don't know who Albert Fall is, he was a lawyer who served as defense attorney for Pat Garrett's alleged killer, one of New Mexico's first two US Senators in the 1910s and Interior Secretary under Warren Harding in the 1920s; he became a central figure in the Teapot Dome scandal and then became the first US Cabinet officer to go to prison, and is said to be the inspiration for the term "fall guy." He's buried in Evergreen Cemetery on Alameda.)
The landlord I just mentioned, William Abraham, was in the El Paso Times recently after the city closed a downtown office building he owns
as a safety hazard; he bought up a bunch of Central El Paso properties and then let them deteriorate.
05-04-2010, 09:25 PM
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You mention all of the Madams of olde. Check out the book "The Gentleman's Club" by El Pasoan Gordon Frost. The book chronicles the red light district on Utah Street as well as the opposing vice squad. Gordon was an old family friend and that's my mom and her car posing as a hooker at the back of the book.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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