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Old 09-04-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Houston
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From the ACLU:

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Florida is one of only three states that strip all citizens with past felony convictions of their civil and voting rights for life. In Florida, this voting and civil rights ban dates back to the Reconstruction Era after the Civil War
Florida law prevents felons from voting. This long preceeded the 2000 election.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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The leftists are right. the 2000 election was a very close election where the man who won more popular votes did not become the President. Gore nationwide got nearly half a million more votes than Bush but lost in the Electoral College by a mere 6 votes out of the 539 votes cast. This had only happened two times before in US history. In 1824 John Quincy Adams beat Andrew Jackson but was a minority President and that election went into the US Congress for its resolution. In 1876 in one of this nations dirtest political deals Samuel Tilden was denighed the White House when Rutherford B. Hayes was given an Electoral College victory. The 2000 election was no different than 1824 or 1876.
The number of popular votes is irrelevant.

Any fair count of the votes cast in Florida would have given Florida's electoral votes, and the presidency, to Gore. Unfortunately for the nation and the world, the Republicans on the Supreme Court were determined not to allow that to happen.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:59 AM
 
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Leftists always affirm that Bush didn not really win the election. Are they right?
the only vot toatals that matter in the Presidential election are the electoral college vote, so you tell me, did Gore win the electoral college vote?

A clue, itis a two-letter word that begins with an "N" and ends with an "O", and often preceeded with "HELL"
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Old 09-04-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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He didn't "win" it until the Supreme Court decreed it
An assinine statement at best, at very best. Congrats - NOT.
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Old 09-04-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Florida law prevents felons from voting. This long preceeded the 2000 election.
There are a couple of important points. The first is that felony disenfranchisement is a widespread mechanism adopted to disqualify black voters.

The second, and possibly more important for this discussion, is that for the 2000 election Florida hired a private company to do an aggressive disenfranchisement campaign that purged many innocent people from the rolls based on superficial similarities to the names of convicted felons.
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Houston
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There are a couple of important points. The first is that felony disenfranchisement is a widespread mechanism adopted to disqualify black voters.

The second, and possibly more important for this discussion, is that for the 2000 election Florida hired a private company to do an aggressive disenfranchisement campaign that purged many innocent people from the rolls based on superficial similarities to the names of convicted felons.
Any statistics on how many eligible voters were disenfranchised? Real ones, not estimates from some partisan site. The fact is incumbents of both parties tweek things as much as they can to favor their party come election time.

Bush won the election fair and square by a 5-4 vote. Later counts showed Bush would have won if they had let us peons decide the election.
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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It doesn't matter.

algore only needed to win his home state, Tenn. where he and his father were long term senators.

4 little electoral votes would have made Fla. meaningless.

algore was a sitting VP.

If people from his own state didn't want him, well.........
Oh, the presidency is decided by the outcome of the states where the candidates live? Then why do we bother with even having the other states vote?
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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Any statistics on how many eligible voters were disenfranchised? Real ones, not estimates from some partisan site. The fact is incumbents of both parties tweek things as much as they can to favor their party come election time.
Let me google that for you.
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:41 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Oh, the presidency is decided by the outcome of the states where the candidates live? Then why do we bother with even having the other states vote?

In this case, yes. It may be telling that a candidate, who should have "favorite son" status, can't carry his home state which both he and his father have represented in Congress.

Even Mondale did, and he lost the other 49 (maybe 48, I don't remember whether or not he carried MA and don't feel like looking it up).
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The number of popular votes is irrelevant.

Any fair count of the votes cast in Florida would have given Florida's electoral votes, and the presidency, to Gore. Unfortunately for the nation and the world, the Republicans on the Supreme Court were determined not to allow that to happen.
Not quite. See posts #22 and #61.
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