GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die (votes, Americans)
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Ridiculous that the poster who never provided documentation for anyone always demands it.
There is no reason in the world outside of Obamacare implementation that people cannot get themselves a high deductible "castotrophic" policy to cover the "gotcha" situation Wolf Blitzer created in the "debate". Paul was pointing out that the Constitution cannot require people to buy one. Liberty requires responsibility and failure to take responsibility has consequences.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, because you don't speak from experience. I, on the other hand, do speak from the experience of someone with a pre-existing condition who tried to shop for medical insurance that would cover a catastrophic event which becomes more and more likely as I age. Five years ago, I actually shopped around when I came back to the states and I was told I could get a 'deal' for about $8,000 a year and that my condition would be covered after about 18 months. That was about the best deal I could find at the time. I don't know about you, but I didn't have $8000 to toss around.
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
The difference between Paul and Socialists (regardless of Party) is that Paul has faith in Americans to do the right thing without the Federal Government holding a gun at their head forcing them to do its will under tyranny. Socialists are pessimists who do not believe in people and place all their hopes and dreams for an imaginary utopia at the feet of government to do for them.
Ron Paul is to be admired for his consistency and his genuine belief in his ideology. But his ideals are based on a very simplistic and flawed understanding of how modern economics works. He seems to believe that America was better off in the 19th Century, ignoring the fact that we had deep recessions every 10-15 years and bank panics about as often. What Ron Paul seems to be arguing against is the centralization and uniform control over monetary policy, and yet this is something that someone like founding father Alexander Hamilton probably would have scoffed at even as early as the late 1700s. In fact it was Hamilton's *Federalist* ideas (with a capital F) that brought America from being a hopeless and bungled confederation of states and turned it into a nation with a centralized and successful economy. The economy of the United States has improved and become more stable as it has adopted more and more integration. You quite obviously understand none of this. I suggest that you do some real reading from unbiased sources and study the history of the American economy before you start posting gibberish such as this.
the usa has 20 million ILLEGAL imirgents and and annual legal imirgation of legal of about 1.2 million
norway TOTAL POP 4.9 million
switzerlands TOTAL pop is 7.8 million
spain TOTAL POP is 46 million
italy TOTAL POP is 60 million
UK is 59 million
canada 32 million
japan 127 million(its the 10th most populated country)
our IMIGRENTS are BY FAR LARGER by percentage than ALL those others imigration.....our ANNUAL LEGAL imigration is over 25% of norways ENTIRE population
I don't think the word "percentage" means what you think it means.
Norway 7,4 %
Spain 11 %
Japan 1 %
Italy 11 %
UK 10%
Canada 19 %
Switzerland 23 %
Sweden 12 %
USA 12 %
So OK, my statemnt should have read "Six of those eight have roughly the same to significantly more immigrant presence than the USA, a medium immigration country. Two have less, two significantly more."
Quite the enigma for the right wing. Last night people took the hypothetical case of an individual who was too irresponsible to pay his health care costs and chose to cheer for the "Let him die" option. No way did they want to pick up the cost for his care. It was all about personal responsibility. All the while these are the same people who rail against the insurance mandate provision contained in Obamacare and are currently doing everthing in their power to get it repealed.
So in the end, I guess the right wing wants to act as enablers for health insurance dead beats by repealing the HI mandate and if one should happen to get sick without health insurance, let em die. Quite the quandry you guys have created for yourself.
This is sickening. It's not about the question or how that question was relayed. It's not about health insurance. It's not about national healthcare or deficit. This is about an individual's heart, soul and compassion for another human being.
The true colors of these teabagger, scum, bottom dweller pseudo Christians was captured on tape last night. This is precisely what we liberals have been telling you for the last several years.
I bet there are true Christians, pastors and priests who are praying for these peoples' souls today. Good luck as they are a lost cause.
Quite the enigma for the right wing. Last night people took the hypothetical case of an individual who was too irresponsible to pay his health care costs and chose to cheer for the "Let him die" option. No way did they want to pick up the cost for his care. It was all about personal responsibility. All the while these are the same people who rail against the insurance mandate provision contained in Obamacare and are currently doing everthing in their power to get it repealed.
So in the end, I guess the right wing wants to act as enablers for health insurance dead beats by repealing the HI mandate and if one should happen to get sick without health insurance, let em die. Quite the quandry you guys have created for yourself.
Where is the quandry, may I ask?
You have a choice to be responsible or not.
If you decide that healthcare isn't your priority you don't buy it. If it isn't a priority for you, then why should it be a priority to your neighbor if you get sick?
Are we ALL teenagers that only plan far enough ahead for our next date or concert? GROW THE H UP already.
The difference between Paul and Socialists (regardless of Party) is that Paul has faith in Americans to do the right thing without the Federal Government holding a gun at their head forcing them to do its will under tyranny. Socialists are pessimists who do not believe in people and place all their hopes and dreams for an imaginary utopia at the feet of government to do for them.
Then He AND You are living in a fantasy world that never has, nor will it ever in our lifetime, exist. Our own history has shown what happens when we just leave it to people to deal with social issues and to the charity of our fellow citizens, that is why the system changed. I see posts here Today by righties that are so caring they actually enjoy it when others they disagree with get hurt and you speak of trusting in their compassion to deal with social issues, no thanks, I, and America, will pass on such naive thinking.
FYI: if you truely believe in taking responsibility for your own lot in life, no matter the circumstances, you will not bother any private charity or church if things go downhill for you or yours, you will either survive or not, after all it is all about survival of the fittest, right
Casper
This is sickening. It's not about the question or how that question was relayed. It's not about health insurance. It's not about national healthcare or deficit. This is about an individual's heart, soul and compassion for another human being.
The true colors of these teabagger, scum, bottom dweller pseudo Christians was captured on tape last night. This is precisely what we liberals have been telling you for the last several years.
I bet there are true Christians, pastors and priests who are praying for these peoples' souls today. Good luck as they are a lost cause.
Some time back I read, I forget where, an article on cultural differences between Americans and western Europeans. It made quite an interesting point. It argued that culturally, Americans feel more people deserve to die.
It made me think. It explains heath care differences, death penalty differences, and murder rate differences.
I don't know a church or even multitude of churches that can pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for expensive drugs (chemo,etc), physical therapy, treatment for chronic diseases, etc., etc., etc.........
That is the point.
NO ONE can afford to pay those prices. Not even insurance companies. That is why insurance rates are so high.
Get the govt out of it and prices will fall. When they can't get people to pay those prices they will lower the price. Get it?
I cannot believe after all these people came in and said, Paul was referring to a story he knew, a culture he knew a long long time ago...he didn't mean that churches today, should finance the medical bills of others....and after all these people have taken they're time to explain that to you, your still harping on that?
So my reply to someone else's post is "harping"? I've been on plenty of health care threads, and each and every one of them has somebody, often several somebodies,telling us how churches did it before and can do it again, there's lot of charitable help out there, etc, etc.
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