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Several, with many also clapping..death. PS, I do not blame Paul; it was evident he was not lightly glossing over the possible death. I fully blame the out of control TP crowd who are now just a characature of a movement more intent on seeking publicity than results. RP cannot win the WH. He will lose 1/3 of the GOP vote, plus the majority of independents. The only purpose he serves is to re-elect Obama, and Pelosi regains House Leader role.
Wow, listen to these fools. Ron Paul is out of his mind. He actually thinks churches will pay peoples medical bills. The teabagger crowd cheered for this nonsense and the rest of the candidates appeared to agree. Just let the uninsured die, which includes children. It's a damn shame that we've reached this point where people such as this are vying for an opportunity to be the leader of our country.
Woman with cancer: "Pastor Bob, I've been a member of this congregation for years. You know that my husband left me without any health insurance ...... well, I've just found out that I have brain cancer ..... I need an expensive operation, but can't afford it now that there is no Medicare or Medicaid. They think it will cost me about $225,000 for the operation and hospitalization ...... but then I'm going to need in-home care for months ..... if the cancer comes back, I might be fighting this for years! It might cost millions! Could you please help me ..... those nice conservative boys on TV said that churches would pay for our health care after Medicare had been sold off."
Pastor Bob, looking through the pictures of new SUVs at the local car dealership: "Hmmmm? What were you saying, Ellen? Oh yeah, you need a few million in health care ...... heh, sure, whatever ..... I'll have to get back to you on that later. Hey, do you think a Red Yukon Denali would be too flashy for a preacher?"
What is really funny if you think churchs should be the place to go if you need expensive healthcare and can't pay for it, is you are in really good company. In an Islamic Republic like that envisioned by Iman Khomeini the local Mosques with their Imans handle the 10% tithe that all the faithful must tender to the Iman for charitable works like healthcare (one of the pillars of the faith). This is a reality in todays Iran and a characteristic of a Sharia based law. Maybe our Tea Party types should talk shop with the Guardians Council in Qom and benefit from their experience in providing healthcare in the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Exactly. My neighbor owns an optical store. he has three employees. His insurance (BEFORE Obamacare) cost 6,000 per month. Then when one of his best employees got pregnant he had to let her go, bcs the insurance crooks raised his bill to 7k a month....the private Insurance cos are running rampant...FOR profit healthcare is destroying small business AND all Americans quality of life.
I'm not so sure about this. I'm not the leftie that AlphaMale claims I am because I do not support his slavish slack-jawed enthusiasm for the Tea Party (Reagan would be a communist to this guy).
I think the problem is not exactly the For Profit mentality of the health care system per say, its that the market drivers that influence other industries do not apply to health-care and the sheer complexity of this industry itself. I worked on a Six Sigma project for a health care organization, and during that project we learned that in the state of California (the only state that forces its hospitals to publish their rates for the care they provide, those commie bast**ds!), the price for a chest MRI ranges from $800 to $5000 dollars between different hospitals. The average person doesn't know that, we don't pay that cost. Insurance companies don't pay that cost, but pay a percentage of it that they negotiate. Only uninsured individuals are charged that cost, and they usually default or come to a settlement agreement. It's like going to the store for a bottle of milk, each customer pays a different price, and none of the prices match the price tag on the bottle.
Now you may think that the hospital that charges $5000 for a chest MRI is gouging its patients. You'd be wrong. These tend to be larger hospitals with more lab and testing equipment, more staff, and more specialists. It cost more to run these larger enterprises, so the cost is distributed across all services the hospital provides, making them more expensive than at a smaller hospital charging $800 for a chest MRI.
The problem is the cost of health care, and the costs inherit in the system. Because the average consumer is not aware of these costs, they do not make decisions on medical providers based upon these costs, and health-care companies have no incentive to find ways to reduce cost to compete for the average citizen's dollar.
That is why you get bills from a hundred different sources when you go to the hospital, the market dynamics that would have forced hospitals and doctors to go to a centralized billing platform do not exist. This leads to redundancy and increased costs in the system.
Why do you have to fill out a patient information form every time you go to a new doctor? Because health care providers are not incented to adopt a centralized health-care record that you can just give them permission to access so they can view your health-care history. No, you fill out that form, they pay someone to enter that information into a computer, the very same information that sits in the computers of every health care provider you visit. The salary of the person who inputs that information contributes to the cost of the health care provided to you. I don't know what they pay these people, but let's just say its $25 dollars an hour. How many hours would be eliminated if instead of taking an hour to input this redundant information, it could be retrieved in a matter of seconds with a few pushes of a button? Savings from that alone, across all health-care providers in America, would be astronomical.
Government does have a role to play in this because through Medicare, the single largest payee of medical costs in the nation, they can force these health-care providers to look for efficiencies and reduce cost....or refuse to pay. And the Health Care bill that was passed does not even address this. The answer is not to repeal Medicare, like so many angry Tea Party fools want, but to wield it as a weapon to promote change in the health care industry and reduce costs across the board for everyone.
I imagine to AlphaMale and RoysoldBoy that even bothering to try to understand the complexities of an issue, instead of just forming my opinion from something I saw on a bumper sticker or was shouted at me from talk radio, makes me a leftie in their book. So be it.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -Ghandi
^^ This. ^^
I don't care what religion you are or if you have no religion at all, same with political affiliation, what happened to common human decency?
It seems to be a contest as to who can out-do the other on how cruel they can be these days. I believe there needs to be lines drawn for those who blatantly abuse and take advantage of the system. I believe we we HAVE to stop illegal immigration, as we are WAY in over our heads,taking care of the entire world when our own citizens are suffering. WHY are they suffering??? -- Because we are taking care of/waging War against THE WORLD!!!
The Elite run this country, they revel at keeping us at odds with each other, while they laugh all the way to the bank. The longer they can keep us focused on what "the other side" is doing, the longer the Super Rich can continue to rake it in.
We are in SERIOUS trouble, when the citizens of the USA start turning on each other, as they are now. COME ON, people, haven't you ever heard, "United we stand, divided we Fall" ??? The American people keep waging this ridiculous war against itself, & meanwhile, the ENTIRE world is sneaking in, and sucking our social systems dry. No wonder we are going down the tubes.
I just don't understand why people can't seem to open their collective eyes at what is really going on in this country.
As usual...its not worth the mental drain of trying to figure out what you are trying to say...
Of course, I was referring to the Constitution of the United States of America. Can you understand that or do you need help since you people dislike that document so much?
I'm not so sure about this. I'm not the leftie that AlphaMale claims I am because I do not support his slavish slack-jawed enthusiasm for the Tea Party (Reagan would be a communist to this guy).
I think the problem is not exactly the For Profit mentality of the health care system per say, its that the market drivers that influence other industries do not apply to health-care and the sheer complexity of this industry itself. I worked on a Six Sigma project for a health care organization, and during that project we learned that in the state of California (the only state that forces its hospitals to publish their rates for the care they provide, those commie bast**ds!), the price for a chest MRI ranges from $800 to $5000 dollars between different hospitals. The average person doesn't know that, we don't pay that cost. Insurance companies don't pay that cost, but pay a percentage of it that they negotiate. Only uninsured individuals are charged that cost, and they usually default or come to a settlement agreement. It's like going to the store for a bottle of milk, each customer pays a different price, and none of the prices match the price tag on the bottle.
Now you may think that the hospital that charges $5000 for a chest MRI is gouging its patients. You'd be wrong. These tend to be larger hospitals with more lab and testing equipment, more staff, and more specialists. It cost more to run these larger enterprises, so the cost is distributed across all services the hospital provides, making them more expensive than at a smaller hospital charging $800 for a chest MRI.
The problem is the cost of health care, and the costs inherit in the system. Because the average consumer is not aware of these costs, they do not make decisions on medical providers based upon these costs, and health-care companies have no incentive to find ways to reduce cost to compete for the average citizen's dollar.
That is why you get bills from a hundred different sources when you go to the hospital, the market dynamics that would have forced hospitals and doctors to go to a centralized billing platform do not exist. This leads to redundancy and increased costs in the system.
Why do you have to fill out a patient information form every time you go to a new doctor? Because health care providers are not incented to adopt a centralized health-care record that you can just give them permission to access so they can view your health-care history. No, you fill out that form, they pay someone to enter that information into a computer, the very same information that sits in the computers of every health care provider you visit. The salary of the person who inputs that information contributes to the cost of the health care provided to you. I don't know what they pay these people, but let's just say its $25 dollars an hour. How many hours would be eliminated if instead of taking an hour to input this redundant information, it could be retrieved in a matter of seconds with a few pushes of a button? Savings from that alone, across all health-care providers in America, would be astronomical.
Government does have a role to play in this because through Medicare, the single largest payee of medical costs in the nation, they can force these health-care providers to look for efficiencies and reduce cost....or refuse to pay. And the Health Care bill that was passed does not even address this. The answer is not to repeal Medicare, like so many angry Tea Party fools want, but to wield it as a weapon to promote change in the health care industry and reduce costs across the board for everyone.
I imagine to AlphaMale and RoysoldBoy that even bothering to try to understand the complexities of an issue, instead of just forming my opinion from something I saw on a bumper sticker or was shouted at me from talk radio, makes me a leftie in their book. So be it.
Not so, at all. It was your continual noise about some people at a debate cheering for a man's death when only two said, "Yeah" after Blitzer mentioned the man's death. You were trying to convince people that all those people cheered Blitzer's words when, in fact, they cheered Paul's words about taking responsibility for your own actions. Two people cheered Blitzer, and we don't even know that either of them was a Tea Party member, just that they did wrong. You caused it all by posting post after post that was based on what a left leaning source said and I don't think you had even listened to that thing at all. You brought all that on yourself. Sometimes you have to take responsibility for your actions. Well, maybe that is not right since Obama blames Bush for all his actions.
Of course, I was referring to the Constitution of the United States of America. Can you understand that or do you need help since you people dislike that document so much?
Are you able to discuss the merits of the Constitution and all the subsequent amendments without referring to Wikipedia or Google? If so, I commend you sir. Not very many people on both sides of the debate can. Me neither, but I try.
Pop quiz: what is the 11th amendment of the constitution (the first after the Bill of Rights), and what does it clarify? This is an not an open book test, put away that iPad!!!
(Immigrants who have become naturalized citizens, please do not respond to this. I know you had to learn it)
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....the private Insurance cos are running rampant...FOR profit healthcare is destroying small business AND all Americans quality of life.
