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Old 09-15-2011, 08:18 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by Katiana
What is the point of securing the borders if the people inside the borders are unhealthy. I think the welfare of the people should be the highest priority.

Robert J"Because there is a limited amount of medical resources. Basic economics teaches that when demand increases, the price will increase. Remove illegals from the market and the price will have to fall to attract customers."


LOL, and I say that having worked for one of the world's largest producers of sophisticated medical equipment. Less demand = HIGHER prices, since the fixed cost of technology (tens of millions R & D not unusual) must be recouped via fewer users. If it cannot be recovered, it will not be invented.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Who cares if it was a loaded question? Paul did his best to answer it, the few audience members who cheered were disgusting. My issue is not with Paul, it is with the asshats who cheered.

You are correct, this is an economic discussion. HOWEVER, many conservative political folks wear their religion on their sleeve and at a Republican debate, sponsored by the TP, to hear cheers for a hypothetical death was shocking. I guess lack of compassion for fellow members of society is between you and your god (general you, not YOU).

That is awful about your sister. How she got her disease is not relevant. She still wants to live and not die a premature death. Colon cancer need not be a death sentence. With proper medical care (regular check ups, yearly tests when you reach a certain age) one can survive. I don't see this as 'wanting someone to fix it for her'. She doesn't want to die.
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:06 PM
 
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You are using force to deny me my rights. You are telling me it is okay for you to use force to make me comply.

YOU make the rules for me as far as what I can or cannot put into it. The government doesn't own me. I am not their servant, I am their master.

Government is not moral. It has a proven track record of not being moral.
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You are using force to deny me my rights. You are telling me it is okay for you to use force to make me comply.

YOU make the rules for me as far as what I can or cannot put into it. The government doesn't own me. I am not their servant, I am their master.

Government is not moral. It has a proven track record of not being moral.
Yes, the republican controlled government is a prime example of what you speak of. A nice steaming plate of "Patriot Act" anyone?
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:15 PM
 
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doesn't the Hippocratic Oath require a doctor to NOT refuse a dying person care at the risk of having their license to practice revoked?
Yes, but the "hipocrite's oath" requires that they value their bottom line more than a patient's life.
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You are using force to deny me my rights. You are telling me it is okay for you to use force to make me comply.
Where are your rights being denied? How is forced being used?

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YOU make the rules for me as far as what I can or cannot put into it.
no, the individual makes rules from themselves on what they put into their own bodies. First do no harm. Then do not tread on the rights of others.

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The government doesn't own me. I am not their servant, I am their master.
you got one right

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Government is not moral. It has a proven track record of not being moral.
you got two right. Getting closer to liberty and freedom
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Old 09-16-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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Where are your rights being denied? How is forced being used?


no, the individual makes rules from themselves on what they put into their own bodies. First do no harm. Then do not tread on the rights of others.


you got one right


you got two right. Getting closer to liberty and freedom

Your words, pal...not mine! Thankfully...the government protects even you.
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Old 09-18-2011, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Originally Posted by Katiana
What is the point of securing the borders if the people inside the borders are unhealthy. I think the welfare of the people should be the highest priority.

Robert J"Because there is a limited amount of medical resources. Basic economics teaches that when demand increases, the price will increase. Remove illegals from the market and the price will have to fall to attract customers."


LOL, and I say that having worked for one of the world's largest producers of sophisticated medical equipment. Less demand = HIGHER prices, since the fixed cost of technology (tens of millions R & D not unusual) must be recouped via fewer users. If it cannot be recovered, it will not be invented.

As a former senior technologist at a company making industrial process equipment the question is not whether something is invented I assure you it will . The question is once in the hands of a business will the invention be reduced to a field testable prototype and then will it be marketed. Each of these steps costs about an order of magnitude more so if a million dollars was spent to invent, as much as 100 million dollars must be spent before a dollar is returned in income. You need to be pretty convinced you have a winner before you bet such sums. Understanding this you can see why companies have a large IP position mostly of things they will never market. But nevermind if some else tries to market the same thing you call your patent lawyer and force a settlement to get a royalty payment. Nothing go to waste!
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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Fees...........you know like registration fees for your vehicle..........things like that. Just a tax by another name. Not a liberal plot to confuse right wingers. sheesh.........
No, it is a ploy. A PR stunt at best. Illegal at worst. In CA, they can't raise taxes. So they add "fees", then claim they never broke the law to raise a tax.

If it's a tax, call it a tax.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Your words, pal...not mine! Thankfully...the government protects even you.
no it doesn't.
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