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MICHELE BACHMANN: Obama "stole over $500 billion out of Medicare to switch it over to Obamacare. ... These are programs that need to be saved to serve people, and in their current form, they can't."
ROMNEY: "He cut Medicare by $500 billion. This is a Democrat president. The liberal, so to speak, cut Medicare. Not Republicans, the Democrat."
THE FACTS: "Stole" is a hyperbolic way to describe the kinds of shifts in budget priorities that happen every day in Washington. To pay for expanded insurance coverage, Obama's health care law cuts $500 billion in payments to the Medicare Advantage program — which a congressional agency said was being overpaid — and to hospitals and nursing homes. Nearly all House Republicans, including Bachmann, later voted for a GOP budget plan that retained the same cuts Obama had made.
FACT CHECK: Social Security prompts debate miscues | Political Headlines | Comcast.net (http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20110913/US.Debate.Fact.Check/?cid=hero_media - broken link)
Hell, not only will they lie and distort the actions of Pres. Obama, they'll lie on each other.
They Lie because they are politicians and all politicians Lie, it is becase WE accept it.
Casper
MICHELE BACHMANN: Obama "stole over $500 billion out of Medicare to switch it over to Obamacare. ... These are programs that need to be saved to serve people, and in their current form, they can't."
ROMNEY: "He cut Medicare by $500 billion. This is a Democrat president. The liberal, so to speak, cut Medicare. Not Republicans, the Democrat."
THE FACTS: "Stole" is a hyperbolic way to describe the kinds of shifts in budget priorities that happen every day in Washington. To pay for expanded insurance coverage, Obama's health care law cuts $500 billion in payments to the Medicare Advantage program — which a congressional agency said was being overpaid — and to hospitals and nursing homes. Nearly all House Republicans, including Bachmann, later voted for a GOP budget plan that retained the same cuts Obama had made.
FACT CHECK: Social Security prompts debate miscues | Political Headlines | Comcast.net (http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20110913/US.Debate.Fact.Check/?cid=hero_media - broken link)
Hell, not only will they lie and distort the actions of Pres. Obama, they'll lie on each other.
How awful!
Next you know they will promise to close Guantanamo, end the wars, bring our troops home, fix the economy and reverse the Bush tax cuts?
Seems like my choice for president in the next election will be either Ron Paul one of those republicans or the incumbant Bush 3.0
After watching the Tea Party debate, I must say M. Bachman and Cain spoke well, but Ron Paul still is by far the best choice for America's future. Nothing will improve (or change at all) unless we choose a politician that is QUALITATIVELY different from all the others. Ron Paul is the only one with the guts and philosophy to back the Military-Industrial Complex, the Fed, and the Special Interests that own our politicians and are ruining our nation's future.
Most of the others make me sick, led by former (actually, current) Democrat Romney. Much of what these posers said was dead wrong (and they know it), like government fiscal problems and debt being solved solely through getting rid of inefficiency and corruption. It reminded me of when I was in 8th grade (still in Catholic school, my intellectual development not yet begun) and the National Debate Topic was Federal Tax Policy. We had to come up with a plan to defend. So I contacted the IRS and asked for a "list of loopholes," having heard that businesses escape taxes that way (the IRS response pointed me to millions of pages of tax codes; my first shock). After actually working for government, I eventually realized that inefficiency and corruption and graft are SO INTEGRAL to government that they will be the LAST things to be cut. Every cut that actually hurts the citizen will come first, as government officials protect their power. Nothing will ever change the way large bureaucracies like governments work--the ONLY answer is to make them so small as to be irrelevant.
Back to Ron Paul--who incidentally got tons of applause as usual and was the subject of many signs in the background of most of the off-site questioners--the way the other candidates scoffed at him when he points out our corrupt Military-Industrial Complex has both bankrupt our nation, and put us in MUCH more danger than we would have been without insane war-mongering, made me sick.
We stop waging senseless overseas wars ASAP, or we collapse like all nations who follow this doomed path do. How many historic examples do we NEED to realize that policing the world (while simultaneously ARMING it) is impossible and too costly for even a healthy economy?
It's time those of us who support the Founding Fathers, Libertarian ideals, taking care of our OWN nation, and being fiscally sane, take back our nation from the corrupt Republicrat Clones who think Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same.
After watching the Tea Party debate, I must say M. Bachman and Cain spoke well, but Ron Paul still is by far the best choice for America's future. Nothing will improve (or change at all) unless we choose a politician that is QUALITATIVELY different from all the others. Ron Paul is the only one with the guts and philosophy to back the Military-Industrial Complex, the Fed, and the Special Interests that own our politicians and are ruining our nation's future.
Most of the others make me sick, led by former (actually, current) Democrat Romney. Much of what these posers said was dead wrong (and they know it), like government fiscal problems and debt being solved solely through getting rid of inefficiency and corruption. It reminded me of when I was in 8th grade (still in Catholic school, my intellectual development not yet begun) and the National Debate Topic was Federal Tax Policy. We had to come up with a plan to defend. So I contacted the IRS and asked for a "list of loopholes," having heard that businesses escape taxes that way (the IRS response pointed me to millions of pages of tax codes; my first shock). After actually working for government, I eventually realized that inefficiency and corruption and graft are SO INTEGRAL to government that they will be the LAST things to be cut. Every cut that actually hurts the citizen will come first, as government officials protect their power. Nothing will ever change the way large bureaucracies like governments work--the ONLY answer is to make them so small as to be irrelevant.
Back to Ron Paul--who incidentally got tons of applause as usual and was the subject of many signs in the background of most of the off-site questioners--the way the other candidates scoffed at him when he points out our corrupt Military-Industrial Complex has both bankrupt our nation, and put us in MUCH more danger than we would have been without insane war-mongering, made me sick.
We stop waging senseless overseas wars ASAP, or we collapse like all nations who follow this doomed path do. How many historic examples do we NEED to realize that policing the world (while simultaneously ARMING it) is impossible and too costly for even a healthy economy?
It's time those of us who support the Founding Fathers, Libertarian ideals, taking care of our OWN nation, and being fiscally sane, take back our nation from the corrupt Republicrat Clones who think Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same.
I agree with many of your points.
We have cut military spending in the past, the MIC is not an unstoppable behemoth.
It would be interesting to know how many secret under the table agreements we have with countries like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia etc.
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