Paul and the phone polls vs. the internet polls. (Ron Paul, voters, thoughts)

[BentBow]

A survey of Registered Voters....

How many of those voters are Obamabots?

Those that know he is toast but will still vote for him anyway, that get asked about a Republican primary race.
Of coarse they are going to say Romney. He is the most Progressive on that stage of frauds.


You really think We the People are going to vote in another GW. Bush, with the Constitutional Conservative movement, in full swing.


The internet polls have consistently been landslides for Ron Paul, but they are dismissed over and over and even edited to not show Paul.



Is this going to be the most surprising election of all time?
Will a direction change be clearly visible?
Will hope for this nation, be restored?

[theunbrainwashed]

If you read one of my past posts, when you factor in the fact that every single candidate except Obama and Romney have seen a huge rise and a subsequent fall in the polls, the race is between Romney and Paul, everyone else is a non-factor. Romney might not get the nomination outside of the Northeast primaries, especially when people in the South and Midwest find out just how liberal Romney is. He's been endorsed by Christie, that's all you need to know about Romney. Both are anti-gun, pro-man-made climate change progressives and we're supposed to believe Romney is going to win on that platform in the Midwest and South?

[TempesT68]

Originally Posted by BentBow

A survey of Registered Voters....

How many of those voters are Obamabots?

Those that know he is toast but will still vote for him anyway, that get asked about a Republican primary race.
Of coarse they are going to say Romney. He is the most Progressive on that stage of frauds.


You really think We the People are going to vote in another GW. Bush, with the Constitutional Conservative movement, in full swing.


The internet polls have consistently been landslides for Ron Paul, but they are dismissed over and over and even edited to not show Paul.



Is this going to be the most surprising election of all time?
Will a direction change be clearly visible?
Will hope for this nation, be restored?

The hard right lean of this post makes me question if you actually know and/or follow Paul's positions,...Otherwise I asked a similar question last month.

Ron Paul's Disproportionate Approval Numbers Online Polls Vs. What The Media Reports

[LibertyandJusticeforAll]

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

If you read one of my past posts, when you factor in the fact that every single candidate except Obama and Romney have seen a huge rise and a subsequent fall in the polls, the race is between Romney and Paul, everyone else is a non-factor. Romney might not get the nomination outside of the Northeast primaries, especially when people in the South and Midwest find out just how liberal Romney is. He's been endorsed by Christie, that's all you need to know about Romney. Both are anti-gun, pro-man-made climate change progressives and we're supposed to believe Romney is going to win on that platform in the Midwest and South?

That is what Perry was suppose to do and that is blowing up in their faces..
They were looking for a Romney/Perry Ticket!

Difference is we know the game they are playing.

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by BentBow

A survey of Registered Voters....

How many of those voters are Obamabots?

Those that know he is toast but will still vote for him anyway, that get asked about a Republican primary race.
Of coarse they are going to say Romney. He is the most Progressive on that stage of frauds.


You really think We the People are going to vote in another GW. Bush, with the Constitutional Conservative movement, in full swing.


The internet polls have consistently been landslides for Ron Paul, but they are dismissed over and over and even edited to not show Paul.



Is this going to be the most surprising election of all time?
Will a direction change be clearly visible?
Will hope for this nation, be restored?

Polls don't count unless your are talking about the voting you are getting from fellow Republicans to win the GOP Nomination race. So far Paul is not surprising anyone, wake us up when, or is that if, he does. If Paul is going to stand a chance in Hades in winning the GOP nomination he better start making a better showing than he has been, simple as that.

[michiganmoon]

Ron Paul has a lot of supporters that go online where they are organized, active, and in your face. The online polls are not nearly as scientific as random phone calls.

If you can get a true random phone call you will get a reasonable prediction. If you put a poll up on CNN.com about Ron Paul his supporters can come and swarm and spam it. For example, CNN put up a poll and their webpage had over 50% favoring Ron Paul...factually that is not a realistic reflection of the country as a whole...merely his supporters spammed the voting.

It is rational to put more faith in phone polls rather than an online poll where people vote multiple times and in droves.

[banjomike]

You presume a lot concerning the phone polls, BentBow.

All the reputable polling organizations have deep access to registration lists, and very few members of the opposing party are ever going to get a phone call. The phone calls may be random, but all the phone numbers come from party registration lists. And these days, those registration lists are much more quickly updated than any time in the past. It's one of the miracles of custom software and dedicated computers.

Some who have very recently switched parties will get a call, of course, but even then, you are still presuming what those folks responses may be.

There have been several posts regarding Ron Paul where the poster said that, if Paul lost the nomination, they were going to vote for Obama. Where does that fit in your thoughts about polling? If one of them is polled before the nomination is decided, their response is going to be different than when another poll asks the same question after the convention.

[CDusr]

Originally Posted by michiganmoon

Ron Paul has a lot of supporters that go online where they are organized, active, and in your face. The online polls are not nearly as scientific as random phone calls.

If you can get a true random phone call you will get a reasonable prediction. If you put a poll up on CNN.com about Ron Paul his supporters can come and swarm and spam it. For example, CNN put up a poll and their webpage had over 50% favoring Ron Paul...factually that is not a realistic reflection of the country as a whole...merely his supporters spammed the voting.

It is rational to put more faith in phone polls rather than an online poll where people vote multiple times and in droves.

Online polls are not scientific, normally. However, unless the poll is setup completely incorrectly you cannot "spam" it.

The fact that Paul's supporters use the internet and are organized doesn't negate them.

[slackjaw]

Originally Posted by CDusr

Online polls are not scientific, normally. However, unless the poll is setup completely incorrectly you cannot "spam" it.

It is quite common for them to be spammed, there have been links posted in this forum to examples of threads in Ron Paul sites where they discuss and organize spamming polls with anonymous IPs.

What baffles me is how some people just cannot learn from past actual results that an internet straw poll is not an accurate measure, it happened same way four years ago with Paul supporters predicting landslide wins because they'd win any straw poll with 70% of the vote. Despite the ensuing reality in the voting booths this year again there was post after post celebrating his dominance in online polls and high fiving each other that the people have finally woken up.

[michiganmoon]

Originally Posted by CDusr

Online polls are not scientific, normally. However, unless the poll is setup completely incorrectly you cannot "spam" it.

The fact that Paul's supporters use the internet and are organized doesn't negate them.

Actually you can spam online polls. People who know more about technology than you can vote hundreds to thousands of times on a poll that tries to only allow each computer to vote once. There are several known cases of this.