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Old 11-14-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I did not say some cannot be withdrawn, it is all or nothing with some of you. Paul wants to pull them all back and THAT IS STUPID.
Why is it stupid? Because YOU said so. Nothing of substance in the post again.

Read the Michael Scheuer report from the CIAs Bin Laden unit on the reasons why they attack us. Maybe you'll learn something.

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Old 11-14-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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I don't think he is an isolationist, but that he is an idealist.
Idealists don't make good Leaders.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:15 PM
 
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Unfortunately, it was after WWII that we discovered the desire to establish and feed the military industrial complex, and started poking our nose into other countries rather deliberately (see Iran Coup, 1953), establishment of Israeli state (and unconditional support, since). We can trace our present day problems in the Middle East to these events.
Agreed. That is the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about.

All powerful nations fall because of expanding their empire or debasing their currency. Sometimes both. We are next unless policy is changed.

So much is wrong here yet we give away bribe money to prop up foreign governments. Those who don't do as we say become enemies.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I did not say some cannot be withdrawn, it is all or nothing with some of you. Paul wants to pull them all back and THAT IS STUPID.
The reality of the situation is we are 15T in debt, we can't afford our empire anymore. In fact, our presence throughout the world has only incited hatred towards us. It leads to events like 9/11 and now we're stuck in endless wars that costs trillions of dollars and we're less free and less safe for it. NOW THAT IS STUPID.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:21 PM
 
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Idealists don't make good Leaders.
Right, but the current crop of pragmatists we have are just SOOOO much better?
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:25 PM
 
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The reality of the situation is we are 15T in debt, we can't afford our empire anymore. In fact, our presence throughout the world has only incited hatred towards us. It leads to events like 9/11 and now we're stuck in endless wars that costs trillions of dollars and we're less free and less safe for it. NOW THAT IS STUPID.
Do you actually believe that the world will love us if we retreat into own own shell, and simply leave us alone, idealists you are a funny bunch, kinda reminds me of the hippies in the old days, they forgot human nature does not work that way.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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Right, but the current crop of pragmatists we have are just SOOOO much better?
Then elect better pragmatic leaders, idealists don't cut it todays world.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:27 PM
 
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One is NOT safer with all the troops brought home and of-course many would then be let go because after all we don't need them. The country does not need a fool like Paul running anything, and he won't be
Well, considering that it is a documented fact that our occupation of some countries has caused direct attacks and/or attempted attacks against us, I have to say that your statement is not 100% accurate.

Additionally, are you implying that we need to keep our number of troops up as a counter to the unemployment issue?
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:32 PM
 
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Then elect better pragmatic leaders, idealists don't cut it todays world.
It's not the leader. never ha been either. It's about policy. The policies you support are costly, ineffective and costs hundreds of thousands their lives in the Middle East over something that has nothing to do with protection our borders.

wake up
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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Do you actually believe that the world will love us if we retreat into own own shell, and simply leave us alone, idealists you are a funny bunch, kinda reminds me of the hippies in the old days, they forgot human nature does not work that way.
So using force and killing innocent people is the answer to those who do not want YOUR beliefs imposed upon them.
We fought a revolution over that.
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