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Well, considering that it is a documented fact that our occupation of some countries has caused direct attacks and/or attempted attacks against us, I have to say that your statement is not 100% accurate.
Additionally, are you implying that we need to keep our number of troops up as a counter to the unemployment issue?
I agree that sometimes we go and stay places we should not and yes it does sometimes makes us enemies, but this is not always true. I see you agree that it is not 100% correct meaning that some troops are required in some places, and that goes against what Paul wants.
We do not actually have that large of a standing Army, and to reduce numbers too far would be foolish saftey-wise for the nation, if the ballon goes up we would not have time to raise a large army and train them, which means countries such as China would be free to do as they wish, that is not smart.
I agree that sometimes we go and stay places we should not and yes it does sometimes makes us enemies, but this is not always true. I see you agree that it is not 100% correct meaning that some troops are required in some places, and that goes against what Paul wants.
We do not actually have that large of a standing Army, and to reduce numbers too far would be foolish saftey-wise for the nation, if the ballon goes up we would not have time to raise a large army and train them, which means countries such as China would be free to do as they wish, that is not smart.
Yeah, lets reduce them by about 90% or some significant number, I'm sure there are some situations that the general population is not aware of where they might be required, but that should be a limited exception.
I'm more interested on hearing if you really believe that keeping soldiers employed is a valid way of fighting unemployment?
I agree that sometimes we go and stay places we should not and yes it does sometimes makes us enemies, but this is not always true. I see you agree that it is not 100% correct meaning that some troops are required in some places, and that goes against what Paul wants.
We do not actually have that large of a standing Army, and to reduce numbers too far would be foolish saftey-wise for the nation, if the ballon goes up we would not have time to raise a large army and train them, which means countries such as China would be free to do as they wish, that is not smart.
Prove it would be foolish, safety wise.
You really are uninformed aren't you. We could cut our military in half and still have the largest.
Why would you think China would do something as idiotic as Russia did and we are doing now? Nations that expand are doomed to fall.
Was it foolish to withdraw from Lebanon? Yea all those bombings against Americans stopping is a bad thing.
I did not say some cannot be withdrawn, it is all or nothing with some of you. Paul wants to pull them all back and THAT IS STUPID.
Actually he is for most of the withdraw doesnt have to be them ALL!! But he thinks any many places they should be middle east, germany and japan a good starts.
One is NOT safer with all the troops brought home and of-course many would then be let go because after all we don't need them. The country does not need a fool like Paul running anything, and he won't be
Actually Paul wants to keep the personal, just close the bases, build some here, put some on the borders and continue defense at home Paul has never said anything about letting soldiers go without service. Plus its a volutary army not a required Army.
This is about the food, energy and other wasteful spending overseas on military upkeep. Paul has said keeping the NAVY in the waters and continue intelligence etc is important. We just need to stop funding the rest of socialist europe with our tax dollars and wait around for HILTERS GHOST!
In fact in going this we can increase some funding to the VA, benefits to soldiers and families and those who have done their job. Stopping the crash of our economy will help the soldier and make sure he is paid and his benefits then worrying about the borders in the middle east and nation building in other places.
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Yeah, lets reduce them by about 90% or some significant number, I'm sure there are some situations that the general population is not aware of where they might be required, but that should be a limited exception.
I'm more interested on hearing if you really believe that keeping soldiers employed is a valid way of fighting unemployment?
So we agree that Paul is wrong to want to pull thm ALL back to the US, we are just not sure of the actual number.
Never said the second statement, but yes it would add to the unemployment numbers. The issue is National Security, Being Isolationists makes us as a Nation Less Safe.
We will Never agree on Paul, but I will give you credit for avoiding the personal attacks some of your fellow Paul supports do not seem to be able to avoid.
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No. Because they tend to be Utopian and in total disconnect from the realities. That is the problem with Ron Paul.
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Agreed. That is the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about. All powerful nations fall because of expanding their empire or debasing their currency. Sometimes both. We are next unless policy is changed.
So much is wrong here yet we give away bribe money to prop up foreign governments. Those who don't do as we say become enemies.
Politicians like to talk a lot. They either don't do anything or can't do anything. For that matter, let us ask what exactly did Eisenhower do? If anything, many of the policies he promoted, only added our thirst for greater involvement in the Middle East.
Even if by an act of magic, Ron Paul were to become the President, do you think he can deliver what he promises?
Do you actually believe that the world will love us if we retreat into own own shell, and simply leave us alone, idealists you are a funny bunch, kinda reminds me of the hippies in the old days, they forgot human nature does not work that way.
Did I ever say we should just "retreat into our own shell?" No, we can and should still engage the world in trade. Also, I never said the world would love us, but they would have less reason to hate us. Do you really think these "terrorists" in the Middle East would really hate us so much that they'd come all the way to America to take the fight to us if we weren't over there? No, we have nothing to fear from these people. They HATE us because we are over there. They may never love us, but they wouldn't hate us nearly as much.
How would you feel if the world did that to us? How would you feel if China invaded Dallas and built a base there? How would you feel if their stated goal was to overthrow your government and replace it with someone more to their liking? How would you feel if they then took to the streets and started patrolling, imposing their own laws and enforcing curfews? How would you feel if they started bombing sites that harbored dissenters, and in the act accidentally killed innocent bystanders, maybe you or your mother? How would you feel if they declared that anyone who opposes them is a "terrorist" and they will kill you. How would you feel if they stated publicly that if they only killed enough Americans perhaps we would just give up and stop? I bet you wouldn't like that, and we shouldn't do that to other people. In truth it only incites hatred, for every "terrorist" we kill we spawn 10 more.
You can continue to arrogantly insult those of who believe in a Constitutional and peaceful foreign policy but at the end of the day warmongering statists don't have much to show for their arrogance. We're trillions of more dollars in debt, we're less safe, we lose freedoms, and our state grows more and more every year thanks to policies you endorse. 9/11 happened thanks to policies you endorse. We're going broke and we're on the verge of collapse so either way non-interventionists such as myself will get what we want, the empire has end at some point. At some point we won't be able to support or afford our chickenhawk warmongering ways.
Actually Paul wants to keep the personal, just close the bases, build some here, put some on the borders and continue defense at home Paul has never said anything about letting soldiers go without service. Plus its a volutary army not a required Army.
This is about the food, energy and other wasteful spending overseas on military upkeep. Paul has said keeping the NAVY in the waters and continue intelligence etc is important. We just need to stop funding the rest of socialist europe with our tax dollars and wait around for HILTERS GHOST!
In fact in going this we can increase some funding to the VA, benefits to soldiers and families and those who have done their job. Stopping the crash of our economy will help the soldier and make sure he is paid and his benefits then worrying about the borders in the middle east and nation building in other places.
You are correct.
When you bring the troops home, this doesn't mean you terminate their service contracts. But some people think that, which is pretty funny, but to be fair, the military is very complex, and so are foreign relations. For someone who hasn't been outside of the US much, or served in a real tactical/front line military position, they have nothing but friends, family, and news to fill them in, which is hardly accurate to reality due to much of militarism and foreign affairs not having a constant, but a conditional involvement.
Did I ever say we should just "retreat into our own shell?" No, we can and should still engage the world in trade. Also, I never said the world would love us, but they would have less reason to hate us. Do you really think these "terrorists" in the Middle East would really hate us so much that they'd come all the way to America to take the fight to us if we weren't over there? No, we have nothing to fear from these people. They HATE us because we are over there. They may never love us, but they wouldn't hate us nearly as much.
How would you feel if the world did that to us? How would you feel if China invaded Dallas and built a base there? How would you feel if their stated goal was to overthrow your government and replace it with someone more to their liking? How would you feel if they then took to the streets and started patrolling, imposing their own laws and enforcing curfews? How would you feel if they started bombing sites that harbored dissenters, and in the act accidentally killed innocent bystanders, maybe you or your mother? How would you feel if they declared that anyone who opposes them is a "terrorist" and they will kill you. How would you feel if they stated publicly that if they only killed enough Americans perhaps we would just give up and stop? I bet you wouldn't like that, and we shouldn't do that to other people. In truth it only incites hatred, for every "terrorist" we kill we spawn 10 more.
You can continue to arrogantly insult those of who believe in a Constitutional and peaceful foreign policy but at the end of the day warmongering statists don't have much to show for their arrogance. We're trillions of more dollars in debt, we're less safe, we lose freedoms, and our state grows more and more every year thanks to policies you endorse. 9/11 happened thanks to policies you endorse. We're going broke and we're on the verge of collapse so either way non-interventionists such as myself will get what we want, the empire has end at some point. At some point we won't be able to support or afford our chickenhawk warmongering ways.
Not you, but that is what Paul would do, pull everyone ack to the US.
In reply the ONLY place we have done as you suggested is in Iraq, and I was against that war. Afganistan was needed and should have never been put on the backburner, and we shoud get out of there as soon as possible.
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