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Old 12-23-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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This has been bugging me for a while now.

I understand Paul's historical connection to the GOP. And, I understand that libertarians are generally more at home in the Republican party.

But, what has become clear over the course of the debates is that Paul is the odd man out on the stage. He is not a Republican.

Paul is very consistant on the idea of shrinking government. The others at least give that idea lip service, but I think only Paul (and to some extent, Perry) would actually try to do that if elected.

But the main differences are Paul's truely libertarian positions: de-legislating nanny laws, decriminalizing drugs, abolition of the death penalty, and especially, military and diplomatic isolationism.

These positions are NO WHERE NEAR the Republican positions on those topics.

So I understand WHY Paul is a Republican, but why is he running for president as a Republican? It's not like he's getting any support from the RNC. There IS an American Libertarian Party, isn't there? Why isn't Paul heading that ticket?

The strength of his showing in the polls would indicate to me that, if Paul got out from under the onus of being the "oddball" Republican, and ran as a pure libertarian, he would attract more voters: virtually ALL who consider themselves libertarians, plus many of those "new Independents" who fled BOTH parties in disgust the past 10 years.

Is this his plan, do you think? Hitch a ride on the GOP's back, take advantage of the national exposure from the debates, THEN jump ship, and run as a big-L Libertarian?
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:58 AM
 
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Becuse he is a REAL Republican and a REAL conservative. He is what the Republican party used to be. Please disregard to the typicle bunch of Republicans today, they are attrocious. HE is true to what the party stood for.
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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This has been bugging me for a while now.

I understand Paul's historical connection to the GOP. And, I understand that libertarians are generally more at home in the Republican party.

But, what has become clear over the course of the debates is that Paul is the odd man out on the stage. He is not a Republican.

Paul is very consistant on the idea of shrinking government. The others at least give that idea lip service, but I think only Paul (and to some extent, Perry) would actually try to do that if elected.

But the main differences are Paul's truely libertarian positions: de-legislating nanny laws, decriminalizing drugs, abolition of the death penalty, and especially, military and diplomatic isolationism.

These positions are NO WHERE NEAR the Republican positions on those topics.

So I understand WHY Paul is a Republican, but why is he running for president as a Republican? It's not like he's getting any support from the RNC. There IS an American Libertarian Party, isn't there? Why isn't Paul heading that ticket?

The strength of his showing in the polls would indicate to me that, if Paul got out from under the onus of being the "oddball" Republican, and ran as a pure libertarian, he would attract more voters: virtually ALL who consider themselves libertarians, plus many of those "new Independents" who fled BOTH parties in disgust the past 10 years.

Is this his plan, do you think? Hitch a ride on the GOP's back, take advantage of the national exposure from the debates, THEN jump ship, and run as a big-L Libertarian?
Uhhuhh run as a Libertine and hand the election to Barry on a silver platter.
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:21 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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This has been bugging me for a while now.

I understand Paul's historical connection to the GOP. And, I understand that libertarians are generally more at home in the Republican party.

But, what has become clear over the course of the debates is that Paul is the odd man out on the stage. He is not a Republican.

Paul is very consistant on the idea of shrinking government. The others at least give that idea lip service, but I think only Paul (and to some extent, Perry) would actually try to do that if elected.

But the main differences are Paul's truely libertarian positions: de-legislating nanny laws, decriminalizing drugs, abolition of the death penalty, and especially, military and diplomatic isolationism.

These positions are NO WHERE NEAR the Republican positions on those topics.

So I understand WHY Paul is a Republican, but why is he running for president as a Republican? It's not like he's getting any support from the RNC. There IS an American Libertarian Party, isn't there? Why isn't Paul heading that ticket?

The strength of his showing in the polls would indicate to me that, if Paul got out from under the onus of being the "oddball" Republican, and ran as a pure libertarian, he would attract more voters: virtually ALL who consider themselves libertarians, plus many of those "new Independents" who fled BOTH parties in disgust the past 10 years.

Is this his plan, do you think? Hitch a ride on the GOP's back, take advantage of the national exposure from the debates, THEN jump ship, and run as a big-L Libertarian?




I suggest you learn about the real CORE of the Republican party...
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:22 AM
 
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Uhhuhh run as a Libertine and hand the election to Barry on a silver platter.

Not just that but the chosen gop candidate also gets RNC money.
no money, no white house.
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Becuse he is a REAL Republican and a REAL conservative. He is what the Republican party used to be. Please disregard to the typicle bunch of Republicans today, they are attrocious. HE is true to what the party stood for.
geeze, first there are those of you who claim he is a real conservative and then there are those who say, their liberal family members and friends are supporting him, seems to me, some people don't know what he really is..

Nita
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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geeze, first there are those of you who claim he is a real conservative and then there are those who say, their liberal family members and friends are supporting him, seems to me, some people don't know what he really is..

Nita
Actually, the only people that "don't know what Ron Paul is" are the simpletons still being manipulated by the Two-Party system.
Ron Paul is above the divide and distract mantra. His is a message that brings all Americans together, regardless of Political Party, age or ethnicity.
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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Because Paul knows if he runs third party it splits the vote and gives the election to Obama. He has also stated if he does not get the nomination he will not run third party for this very reason. That's the darndest thing, a politician doing what's best for the country instead of for selfish personal gain.
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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I suggest you learn about the real CORE of the Republican party...
So, you are saying Paul is the only REAL Republican on the stage? The other candidates and their supporters, and the national party, just don't realize it? I don't think so.

Republicans and libertarians are congruent, but not identical. I would say Libertarians are a smaller, included subset within the Republican circle, with a sizable portion lying outside it. Would you agree?

Are you saying it should be the goal of Paul and his supporters to squeeze the whole of the GOP into the smaller libertarian circle?

As The Dude would say, that sounds exhausting!
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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Because Paul knows if he runs third party it splits the vote and gives the election to Obama. He has also stated if he does not get the nomination he will not run third party for this very reason. That's the darndest thing, a politician doing what's best for the country instead of for selfish personal gain.
So, his plan is to win the GOP nomination? Even though his policies vary substantially from those of the party?

That doesn't make sense.
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