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A lot of occupy people can't get past the (R) next to his name.
Many are with us though
I FULLY agree with you that the (R) is the reason many occupy people don't know about his ideas. It was the reason I didn't know much about him until the NDAA. The media blackout on the NDAA is to keep people from going to Ron Paul, IMO.
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My mistake. I assumed that because you view them as being violent you were against them. Didn't realize you supported movements you considered to be violent.
Nice try. Just because some in the movement (or used the movement as an excuse) resorted to violence does not condemn the whole movement. Just like the Tea Party got all muddied up with the religious wackos, that didn't take away from their main message of smaller gov and no bail-outs. Those movements - however imperfect - still has tons of support by RP supporters.
Nice try. Just because some in the movement (or used the movement as an excuse) resorted to violence does not condemn the whole movement. Just like the Tea Party got all muddied up with the religious wackos, that didn't take away from their main message of smaller gov and no bail-outs. Those movements - however imperfect - still has tons of support by RP supporters.
I don't doubt that many RP supporters support OWS, at the same time, there are many RP supporters that paint the OWS movement as violent. You can't deny this fact. I wonder how this will paly out to that faction of RP supporters, the one who generalize about OWS and make fun of them.
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I don't doubt that many RP supporters support OWS, at the same time, there are many RP supporters that paint the OWS movement as violent. You can't deny this fact. I wonder how this will paly out to that faction of RP supporters, the one who generalize about OWS and make fun of them.
Fair point. Maybe winter has taken care of all the movements for the time being. Both the TP'ers and OWS'ers are still showing up at some of the candidates speeches, but not with the same intensity of earlier in the year. I think that will increase though when it gets warmer again. I think most RP'ers will be fine with the idea of OWS (which does speak to what Mr. Paul has been raising hell with for decades) as long as that movement doesn't go down a crazy path like some of the TP'ers have with their religious views being incorporated into it (which was not the point at all of the Tea Party movement).
Tea Party and OWS really want the same fruit. They are just trying to climb the same tree from the opposite directions, not knowing that the other party also is in this together. Politicians would like to co-opt (or rather have already co-opted) both grassroots movements for their purpose - labeling TP as right and OWS as left. Only Ron Paul understands that TP and OWS are not mutually exclusive, which is why he is confident that he can bridge the gap.
I'm surprised to read your take on that. I found the exact opposite to be true. Most RP supporters have no problem with OWS although many of us found their lack of a coherent message to be problematic. But, I have yet to meet anyone that didn't support or tolerate the movement.
You're wrong.
I'm a Paul supporter and I have a serious problem with OWS. Did anyone even read their "list of demands"?
They wanted a $20/hour minimum wage.
They wanted free housing for everyone. (I'm not kidding.)
They wanted free "living wages" for everyone...WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE EMPLOYED!
The list went on and on with the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
And then? How did they ACT? Disgustingly!
It's one thing to protest peacefully and get your message heard but it's an entirely different thing to act like pigs and squeal when you break the law.
These people do not understand the law. They do not understand economics. They do not understand who is really running the show. They are puppets and don't have a clue.
(P.S. I'm very sorry to pigs, everywhere. I didn't mean to insult you by comparing you to OWS.)
Tea Party and OWS really want the same fruit. They are just trying to climb the same tree from the opposite directions, not knowing that the other party also is in this together. Politicians would like to co-opt (or rather have already co-opted) both grassroots movements for their purpose - labeling TP as right and OWS as left. Only Ron Paul understands that TP and OWS are not mutually exclusive, which is why he is confident that he can bridge the gap.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
That graphic is spot on as well; I'm tempted to post it on Facebook once again
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You're wrong.
I'm a Paul supporter and I have a serious problem with OWS. Did anyone even read their "list of demands"?
They wanted a $20/hour minimum wage.
They wanted free housing for everyone. (I'm not kidding.)
They wanted free "living wages" for everyone...WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE EMPLOYED!
The list went on and on with the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
And then? How did they ACT? Disgustingly!
It's one thing to protest peacefully and get your message heard but it's an entirely different thing to act like pigs and squeal when you break the law.
These people do not understand the law. They do not understand economics. They do not understand who is really running the show. They are puppets and don't have a clue.
(P.S. I'm very sorry to pigs, everywhere. I didn't mean to insult you by comparing you to OWS.)
Wow! Ok. So there are two that don't like the OWS. I don't like anything I read in that list of demands either - but is that universal for the whole movement? I didn't think that they had that kind of cohesion to unify under a list of demands.
Tea Party and OWS really want the same fruit. They are just trying to climb the same tree from the opposite directions, not knowing that the other party also is in this together. Politicians would like to co-opt (or rather have already co-opted) both grassroots movements for their purpose - labeling TP as right and OWS as left. Only Ron Paul understands that TP and OWS are not mutually exclusive, which is why he is confident that he can bridge the gap.
'Only Ron Paul understands that TP and OWS are not mutually exclusive, which is why he is confident that he can bridge the gap.'
Yes, totally agree that Ron Paul is the only one who can bridge the gap, because he is the only one with any real integrity, and is by far the most intelligent of any of the candidates.
The OWS movement is all over the place, although they mostly seem to be younger people who are pissed that they are not going to be able to get their share of the pie, while the 'Tea Party' is mostly pissed that they have to pay for someone else's piece of the pie. A die-hard Ron Paul supporter might have been marching with me during one of the first Anti Iraq War rallys in downtown Chicago.
Ron Paul cannot solve all of America's woes overnight, but he CAN put an end to all of the stupid wars that the Chickenhawks love to start for no really good reason. On moral grounds, namely all of the evil that war encompasses, is where my true alligence with Paul lies. The greed and corruption of the banking system along with corporate greed that outsources America's future comes next, and Paul is the only one addressing all of these issues - the others just 'duck and cover'.
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