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Old 01-27-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: SC
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Last night's debate in Jacksonville, FL proved that more and more people are coming around to Ron Paul's foreign policy and realize it makes the MOST SENSE as his answer on that topic generated the most applause of the night.

In a few words Paul thinks the answer is, as per the Founding Fathers, FREE TRADE.. and avoid entangling alliances as we have heard him say over and over.

In his farewell address, President Washington said:
“The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.”
Whereas Santorum advocates entangling alliances that founders warned against and selective free trade. He said he thought we should be involved in enforcement of the Honduran Constitution.

He also evidently thinks the European Union was a good idea and probably supports a North American Union and a switch of our currency to the Amero.

He's got the totally wrong idea on that. Talk to anyone in the U.K and they all wish the European Union had never been formed. They lost their sovereignty they lost a lot of their freedom as now the EU decides everything for their country.

Rick Santorum may as well just come out and say he's a New World Order Globalist .



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Old 01-27-2012, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Last night's debate in Jacksonville, FL proved that more and more people are coming around to Ron Paul's foreign policy and realize it makes the MOST SENSE as his answer on that topic generated the most applause of the night.

In a few words Paul thinks the answer is, as per the Founding Fathers, FREE TRADE.. and avoid entangling alliances as we have heard him say over and over.

In his farewell address, President Washington said:
“The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.”
Whereas Santorum advocates entangling alliances that founders warned against and selective free trade. He said he thought we should be involved in enforcement of the Honduran Constitution.

He also evidently thinks the European Union was a good idea and probably supports a North American Union and a switch of our currency to the Amero.

He's got the totally wrong idea on that. Talk to anyone in the U.K and they all wish the European Union had never been formed. They lost their sovereignty they lost a lot of their freedom as now the EU decides everything for their country.

Rick Santorum may as well just come out and say he's a New World Order Globalist .



Ron Paul Trounces Santorum on Foreign Policy in CNN Debate
One of these days you Paul supporters might figure out that the world is a far different place than it was in 1776, and that we are all connected economically and that what happens to one country will affect the rest of the world, look at the recession the World just went through. Pauls ideas will never become reality, he would have to win the GOP nomination first, then he would have to beat Obama in the general election, then he would have to win over the support of both a majority of Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate to implement any of his ideas, NONE of which are going to happen. Is what it is.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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One of these days you Paul supporters might figure out that the world is a far different place than it was in 1776, and that we are all connected economically and that what happens to one country will affect the rest of the world, look at the recession the World just went through. Pauls ideas will never become reality, he would have to win the GOP nomination first, then he would have to beat Obama in the general election, then he would have to win over the support of both a majority of Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate to implement any of his ideas, NONE of which are going to happen. Is what it is.
You do realize as Commander in Chief he would have absolute power to bring the troops home, and implement various parts of his planned foreign policy, right?

He actually polls against Obama stronger than all the candidates now, but very close with Romney.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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One of these days you Paul supporters might figure out that the world is a far different place than it was in 1776, and that we are all connected economically and that what happens to one country will affect the rest of the world, look at the recession the World just went through. Pauls ideas will never become reality, he would have to win the GOP nomination first, then he would have to beat Obama in the general election, then he would have to win over the support of both a majority of Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate to implement any of his ideas, NONE of which are going to happen. Is what it is.
This is just one example of the misinformation that you like to spread. It doesn't take a majority of both, it takes a consensus of the middle, which is not near as hard. I think Constitutional government is quickly coming back into favor...
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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One of these days you Paul supporters might figure out that the world is a far different place than it was in 1776, and that we are all connected economically and that what happens to one country will affect the rest of the world, look at the recession the World just went through. Pauls ideas will never become reality, he would have to win the GOP nomination first, then he would have to beat Obama in the general election, then he would have to win over the support of both a majority of Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate to implement any of his ideas, NONE of which are going to happen. Is what it is.
Realizing that the world is interconnected is not something that Paul lacks. He fully realizes it. But the notion that everything is connected does not justify bullying everyone who doesn't fall in line with US interests. It does not justify giving out billions of dollars and using the potential withdrawal of those handouts to manipulate other nations to do what we want them to. It does not justify keeping American forces overseas in other nations during peacetime.

It is possible that this outdated Cold War foreign policy will continue for a number of years yet. It's a shameful waste of money and we really can't afford it. Repugnantcans say they'll downsize the government, but they want to make the military bigger. The Dummocrats are willing to downsize the military, but just can't seem to stop themselves from growing the size and price tag of our Federal Government. Neither can hope to balance the budget without being willing to spend a lot less money on both.

Because of the Tea Party movement, the Repugnantcans are more likely to actually try their very best to balance the budget than the Dummocrats. But Paul's way gets us there much faster. It gets us onto the task of paying down the debt sooner.

I think America accepts Paul's ideas sooner or later. It's just a common sense approach to government and foreign policy. Fight it all you like, but you're really just delaying the inevitable and procrastinating the day that America takes the right medicine to cure its ills.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Policy should not be based on weapons sales all under the guise of "freedom and democracy" - this policy is dishonest...It is much like the old parlimentary or congressional system that is advesarial in nature..that there is always an us and them - that we will always have an enemy...Paul simply wants to appeal to the better parts of human nature - that common people world wide are good..and not always spoiling for a fight - It is the art of making friends....about time that America gave up on the old advesarial system and tried something new....Like looking for the goodness in the world and not attempting to profit on evil...If your policy concentrates on evil - all you will get in the end is evil.
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Old 01-27-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: SC
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One of these days you Paul supporters might figure out that the world is a far different place than it was in 1776, and that we are all connected economically and that what happens to one country will affect the rest of the world, look at the recession the World just went through. Pauls ideas will never become reality, he would have to win the GOP nomination first, then he would have to beat Obama in the general election, then he would have to win over the support of both a majority of Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate to implement any of his ideas, NONE of which are going to happen. Is what it is.
What is your definition of "connected economically"? There is no reason why we can't be "connected economically" and maintain our sovereignty and go back to an honest monetary system not controlled by banksters. Under a sound monetary policy the Dollar has had as much as 4 dollars worth of purchasing power. Now thanks to all the admitted and the secret bailouts and the irresponsible expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve Bank, it has about 12 cents worth of purchasing power.

If you read the history of the purchasing power of the dollar it was lowest and got worse when there was a central bank in the United States. The first was "The Bank of the United States". When President Jackson got rid of it, the purchasing power of the dollar started to INCREASE! He also paid of the national debt and was the only president to ever do so. Guess when the dollar started to LOSE purchasing power again? It was right after President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act and the monetary system was handed back to the private banksters at the Federal Reserve Bank again in 1914 and it has been downhil ever since -- especially after Nixon got rid of the Gold Standard.

Ron Paul is not proposing we go back to 1776.

He's proposing we use policies that worked to make this country great and get rid of the ones that weaken it that only benefit a handful of elites.

Why would you or anyone be against that? Wouldn't you like to see your standard of living go up for a change? Wouldn't you like to see the dollar purchase more than it does now? Wouldn't you like to see the wars end and see the United States go back to being FREE again?

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Old 01-27-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Fargo, ND
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Bringing all the troops home will help cut $1 TRILLION from the deficit.
You do realize their economic, political and social reasons why we have troops overseas. I do think the number should be reduced however.
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Old 01-27-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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You do realize their economic, political and social reasons why we have troops overseas. I do think the number should be reduced however.
Educate us. Instead of, "There are reasons," tell us the reasons. Try to find good reasons. Thanks.
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Old 01-27-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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No, there aren't any reasons to have military bases in Korea and Germany anymore.

This!
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