GOP Presidential Candidates Tell Florida Uninsured Woman: You’re On Your Own
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Not sure who those people are, but I will say that people tend to polarize it in their own mind. Meaning they think in terms govt is good or bad. Too much regulation or not enough.
Those people I am refering to are those that say things like listed below and who are the ones who blast anything government and call anybody who questions or disagrees with them as being socialist liberals out to make America commy red.
'should of planned to consider getting melanoma, your genetics isn't my problem" what?
"isn't my problem that insurance isn't available for you, so don't force me to give up money as a alternative" All of us contributing is for all us which means you too get it?
" the government is never a solution"....even when there is no other solution to be seen.
" get rid of regulation and interference and corporations will open to be more available and less costly for you" You think health corporations are going to are going voluntarily risk profit on people with conditions? haha....
" the constitution" Moral principles and ethics aren't spelled out in the constitution but what are we as a nation that has the ability to save and treat people but won't because they don't have enough money? And I am not saying it should be for free but treatment for major health situations shouldn't cost what it does. I say get rid of insurance companies completely and then lets see hospitals try to charge $3000 for one night stay. But do you think the hospitals are voluntarily going to drop a surgery that they charge $30,000 for to $3000 which is more in line to what a normal person can afford?
"not my problem, I look after myself so you do the same, don't steal from me for community health benefits" probably the most short sighted statement made by them, which can only be made by someone who must have millions in the bank. Otherwise one day when you may face ruin you might hope others are there to help.
"taxes for health benefits is stealing from me and forcing me into slavery to pay for you" No, taxes for health benefits as long as regulated to not be wasteful ( which government waste is a problem) is a form of charity that everybody contributes to for the benefit of everybody.
"if they weren't buying big screen tv's and iphones maybe they could afford insurance, they just don't have priorities". A well used sound bite but they never admit the fact that maybe some people lost their job and lost their insurance and or to get it privately they were denied or that on top of losing their job their insurance now doubles or triples because they lost a group plan. It might not be because of buying a iphone instead. Plus, there is more to life than paying for insurance or do you all advocate that someone should live only to pay for insurance, is the purpose of life to support insurance profit?
For problems like house insurance in Fl those same people say stupid things like " well you shouldn't have lived in Fl then, it isn't insurances fault for not wanting to insure in Fl" How about the fact that insurance collected years of money from premiums without having to pay back much but once they have to for one or two bad storms then they don't want to insure any more, don't you think that is a bit messed up? But, when we in Fl have no alternative but to insure through a state government pool because we were forced with no alternative you decree that is wrong because it is government involvement and government is bad..just because....just because government is bad? So what you all are saying government is bad just because it is bad and if there is no private solutions well then you should just be SOL? Can't have government regulating for the people who have no voice otherwise because that is government interfering with business and businesses are gods and all that make America great right?
Interesting. The voters may not react well to a message of you're on your own...
Funny how you got, "your on your own" out of any of those responses, I heard she should have the opportunity to take personal responsibility for her own insurance and get the same rates as any other group does.
why do we need some third party to pay our own bills???????
Did you try? Most of arseholes would not take you without an insurance even if you have money. Hippocratic oath my hairy arse. It's simple "economics". An income of an average wage slave is grossly inadequate to cover medical expenses in a case of medium/serious illness/injury.
Last edited by RememberMee; 02-01-2012 at 01:25 AM..
I'm healthy, I pay my insurance premiums and I don't use a squat for many, many years. At the same time some ruggedly individualistic conservative is patting himself on a back because he pays a modest health insurance premium while undergoing $100,000 treatments, for example that we, the healthy ones paid for. I knew a couple of ferociously conservative Bible Thumpers having 20 kids (two families) and very good insurance at ridiculous prices (thanks Pentagon). Isn't it obvious, if you are planning on having 10 kids, you can't just hide behind "I'm personally responsible I've got an insurance". Nope, you got an insurance to rip the rest of us off, simple. It's the same as buying home insurance just to burn it down and collect. This socializing of your personal health problems and procreation urges gotta stop. What would happen if I lose my job and my insurance just to get sick? Let me guess, I'll hear all that personal responsibility and freeloading crap from the "ruggedly" individualistic conservative (with a job and insurance) I was paying for to heal.
You've got your health problems and $100 premium, I've got mine $100 and no problems, see ya, hopefully you'll enjoy your $7,000/day hospital stay for as long as your average income would allow. You've got yours I've got mine, and yup *********.
That's conservative "issue" they want social Darwinism on their terms. They want poor, discarded and sick to be subject to unmitigated Social Darwinian forces, yet they hide their selfish pampered arses behind Law, police and "free" market system of economic extortion bestowing insurance upon some of them. If you want social Darwinian jungle and survival of the fittest, fine, but there will be no rules. If my survival would require cracking your skull open, so be it, nothing personal, just survival. If one set of "rules" and skills favors your survival and I'm better served by different survival "strategy", I'll will not be playing on your terms.
Last edited by RememberMee; 02-01-2012 at 01:43 AM..
Funny how you got, "your on your own" out of any of those responses, I heard she should have the opportunity to take personal responsibility for her own insurance and get the same rates as any other group does.
No, What's funny is you didn't check the Source provided prior to posting.
Those people I am refering to are those that say things like listed below and who are the ones who blast anything government and call anybody who questions or disagrees with them as being socialist liberals out to make America commy red.
'should of planned to consider getting melanoma, your genetics isn't my problem" what?
"isn't my problem that insurance isn't available for you, so don't force me to give up money as a alternative" All of us contributing is for all us which means you too get it?
" the government is never a solution"....even when there is no other solution to be seen.
" get rid of regulation and interference and corporations will open to be more available and less costly for you" You think health corporations are going to are going voluntarily risk profit on people with conditions? haha....
" the constitution" Moral principles and ethics aren't spelled out in the constitution but what are we as a nation that has the ability to save and treat people but won't because they don't have enough money? And I am not saying it should be for free but treatment for major health situations shouldn't cost what it does. I say get rid of insurance companies completely and then lets see hospitals try to charge $3000 for one night stay. But do you think the hospitals are voluntarily going to drop a surgery that they charge $30,000 for to $3000 which is more in line to what a normal person can afford?
"not my problem, I look after myself so you do the same, don't steal from me for community health benefits" probably the most short sighted statement made by them, which can only be made by someone who must have millions in the bank. Otherwise one day when you may face ruin you might hope others are there to help.
"taxes for health benefits is stealing from me and forcing me into slavery to pay for you" No, taxes for health benefits as long as regulated to not be wasteful ( which government waste is a problem) is a form of charity that everybody contributes to for the benefit of everybody.
"if they weren't buying big screen tv's and iphones maybe they could afford insurance, they just don't have priorities". A well used sound bite but they never admit the fact that maybe some people lost their job and lost their insurance and or to get it privately they were denied or that on top of losing their job their insurance now doubles or triples because they lost a group plan. It might not be because of buying a iphone instead. Plus, there is more to life than paying for insurance or do you all advocate that someone should live only to pay for insurance, is the purpose of life to support insurance profit?
For problems like house insurance in Fl those same people say stupid things like " well you shouldn't have lived in Fl then, it isn't insurances fault for not wanting to insure in Fl" How about the fact that insurance collected years of money from premiums without having to pay back much but once they have to for one or two bad storms then they don't want to insure any more, don't you think that is a bit messed up? But, when we in Fl have no alternative but to insure through a state government pool because we were forced with no alternative you decree that is wrong because it is government involvement and government is bad..just because....just because government is bad? So what you all are saying government is bad just because it is bad and if there is no private solutions well then you should just be SOL? Can't have government regulating for the people who have no voice otherwise because that is government interfering with business and businesses are gods and all that make America great right?
Well I don't think the govt taking over health care is a good idea, as I said Big Govt, from my research is a huge part of the problem. The insurance is a major siphon. It is being milked to death, but the govt is profiting from it. They directly wanted the doors opened in the nineties. These other country's people speak about many, have extremely high cost of living and many poor people they have also had high unemployment for a long time.
"Too big to fail" is a problem on both the corporate and govt side, they work hand-in-glove.
Letting the govt gobble it all up isn't new and hasn't worked too well.
I do agree our approach to health care is horrendous.
The key phrase is "unable to afford health benefits". Have you any idea how much COBRA costs? It was going to cost my 25 yo daughter $500/mo to keep our insurance after she was 'aged out' (this was before health care reform).
I think that there are many in the USA who really do not understand how the American health system actually works today.
They seem easily fooled by the rhetoric from the wealthy who feel that the health system here is amazing and that it works. YES it works well for those who are healthy or wealthy or have a good employment based health cover.......... for everyone else it absolutely FAILS.
The American health serrvice is one of the most expensive health services per capita in the world. It excludes more people from good healthcare than virtually every other health system in the industrialised world. It is the cause of more deaths because of lack of health cover than every other country with a UHC. It causes more personal bankruptcy than probably any other health system anywhere. It is controlled by CEO's of Insurance companies (Not medical professionals} who decide whether treatment is allowed or not. It was ranked 37th in the W.H.O's world rankings of World's Health Systems. It is failing millions of American's every day and causes a need for expensive medicare/aid and Vet health add ons that are band aids to cure a enourmous haemorrhage.
For politicians to imply that we can all get health insurance is rubbish.
To imply that seniors would be better off with $15,000 a year vouchers is far from reality. To think that people with pre-conditions could get good inexpensive cover (before Obama's health bill) is fantasy land and to suggest that all the health system here needs is tweaking is well and truly sticking heads in the sand.
One good thing about the rights defense of the broken health system in the USA and the typical elitist remarks like.... you should be responsible for your own health cover will help give President Obama a second term. As soon as citizens realise that they will not get cover if they have a pre condition or that the provision now for sons and daughters to stay on their parents health insurance up to 26 years of age will be cancelled or that you can be dropped from health cover or have premiums increased when you get a chronic illness etc etc etc will bring home how bad the old system really is and help Obama to make even more necessary changes to the health care that is nowtreated as a luxury item and that the health care here is a B/S health regime that now plagues America.
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