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Old 02-05-2012, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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And if we go back in time, we see Obama's disdain for Christianity in his own divisive words:

"Then, the future president unloaded on Christians."

“The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have,” he told the Chicago Reader. “But it’s always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia. And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values
and moral responsibility.”
He's correct in everything he said and I wish he were more critical of the Christian faith now than he was then. The Christian Right has made every effort to inject itself into the school systems, into government, into everyone's daily lives as "proponents" of morality and "family values."

The reality is that they seek to inject a moral playing field based on strict Biblical law and their family values, as the then Presidential candidate Obama alluded to, revolve around a false nostalgia representative of Leave it to Beaver and not reality.

Their intolerance for anything they deem immoral has shown itself over and over again in everything from gay rights to pornography to marijuana legislation. Their narrow-mindedness has propagated pseudoscientific organizations pushing a literal Biblical Creation into our classrooms to be taught as science, and their over sensitive attitude toward anything critical of their faith is usually uttered with the quibbling self-fulfilling prophecy of "The Bible says this day will come..." Often enough these charges of immorality are perpetuated by the very people who speak so loudly against them (Ted Haggard, Catholic priests / The Pope, Kent Hovind, etc...).

Humanity has lived through a day and age whereby Christianity had its bloody hands wrapped around politics and societal influence. It was called The Dark Ages and it was called that for a reason. If people could stop for a second and realize that Christianity was very largely the reason behind a "separation of church and state," as Thomas Jefferson noted in 1803 to the Danbury Baptist Association, maybe they'd realize that religion interfering in politics never has been and never will be a good thing.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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And precisely what has the Catholic Church done in which the government shouldn't go after it with every legal avenue possible? Between child rape and torture, genocide in Africa, and large scale child trafficking in Spain, I would think the least of any Catholic's worries should be about a hospital and more about why Il Papa isn't being tried for crimes against humanity, among other things.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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And precisely what has the Catholic Church done in which the government shouldn't go after it with every legal avenue possible? Between child rape and torture, genocide in Africa, and large scale child trafficking in Spain, I would think the least of any Catholic's worries should be about a hospital and more about why Il Papa isn't being tried for crimes against humanity, among other things.
Uh, let me think. How about because it's unproductive and unjust?

The Church offers services A, B, and C, but not D.

So because they don't offer D, the government is going to prevent them from offering A, B, and C.

So nobody wins and everyone loses.

But that's cool with you because it's the Church, so let's go get 'em!!!
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Old 02-05-2012, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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People have a right to work in their chosen field without being forced to violate their conscience. Sometimes we even allow people to opt out of military service if their religion frowns on war.

See how that works?

We actually give rights to minority groups.

...just not any minority groups liberals care about.
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Religion is a choice. Minority groups that we give rights to are generally not given a choice in their minority. Homosexuality aside, which minority group do you think was given a choice in their minority?

The United States is forbidden by law in respecting any establishment of religion. Thus, your religion is a non issue.





You are very correct that the federal government may not establish a religion.

It also may not prefer one religion and must remain neutral on matters of religious beliefs and practices.

It cannot discriminate against those whose religion forbids murdering babies.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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No one is coming for the catholics.

But if the Catholic church wants to operate public institutions, then they have to follow public law.

Hey, I disagree with telling everyone they have to provide this, that or the other. I think that if a private business owner doesn't want to provide wheel chair access, then they shouldn't have to.

But the fact remains, most Americans disagree with my opinion, and they feel that if you operate a public facility, then you have to follow public law.

No one is forcing anyone to swallow a birth control pill, just that its offered.
Go ahead and read my link and tell me why Bishop Olmsted has been attacked by the ACLU for the things listed. It seems that he took away the right to be called a Catholic hospital that did the things they have been told to do by HHS. Of course you don't see any of this as an attack on the Catholics among us.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Oh so easily manipulated.
Who is so easily manipulated, SCOTUS or President and group?
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I think that would make them hypocritical.

Do you suggest that the catholic church ignore these regulations?

All I am saying is, this is the law. Right or wrong, its the current law. And it is no war against religion, its no attack on the catholic church to suggest that they follow the same regulations as every other business does in the United States, when they are operating public businesses.

If you don't like these regulations, and I don't, vote to change them so private owners of public businesses don't have to follow federal guidelines. I'm with you.

But don't say its a war on religion, or an attack on the catholic church, because thats just not true.
Go ahead and read my suggested link so you can understand a bit of what so many of see.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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If you are going to derive income for your business from the federal government, you have to comply with all kinds of ticky dot regulations.

If you don't want to comply, do business with somebody else. And keep your hands out of federal pockets.

It is not hard.

If any church wants to run schools or hospitals or day care or social services, go ahead on. Raise your funding yourselves, decide the population you will be serving and tell the feds to KYA.
Maybe you should check up on what the Church was told back at the time of passage of the Affordable Care Act. The story changed recently and it is pretty obvious why.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: southern california
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maybe that depends who they worship as God--- lots of people worship plastic and dont know it.
obama is counting heavily on alota compulsive spenders dressed up like christians, voting him in 2nd term.
he has become the mastercard candidate.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:15 PM
 
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Maybe you should check up on what the Church was told back at the time of passage of the Affordable Care Act. The story changed recently and it is pretty obvious why.
This explains it very clearly - not that it will be read.

"In November, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, held what he describes as an "extraordinarily friendly" meeting with Obama at the White House.
The president assured the archbishop of his respect for the Church, and the archbishop came away persuaded Obama would never force the Church to adopt any policy that would violate her principles.
Ten days ago, Obama sandbagged the archbishop."

Obama Sandbags the Archbishop - Yahoo! News
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