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Old 03-12-2012, 06:16 AM
 
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Geez I can say the same for Republicans! The so called "party of freedom" who wants to control Abortion rights and tell gay people they can't marry! Now who is controlling other people's lives again?
The Democrats are.

See, Republicans don't want to "control abortion rights". They want to ban abortion as being murder. Very different things. You can disagree that abortion is murder, but you can't fairly say that someone who believes abortion is murder isn't justified in restricting it.

When it comes to Democrats the story is very different. They simply want control. There's not even a pretense of it being otherwise. The Democrats know better how you should live your life and they will force you to do things their way upon threat of being arrested. One day the Secretary of HHS decides women should have free birth control, so now every insurance company in the country is required to provide it. No vote, no justification, no debate, no input from any non-Democrat.

The underlying philosophy of the Democrats and Republicans are vastly different. Democrats do not respect the constitution.
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:25 AM
 
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The Democrats are.

See, Republicans don't want to "control abortion rights". They want to ban abortion as being murder. Very different things. You can disagree that abortion is murder, but you can't fairly say that someone who believes abortion is murder isn't justified in restricting it.

When it comes to Democrats the story is very different. They simply want control. There's not even a pretense of it being otherwise. The Democrats know better how you should live your life and they will force you to do things their way upon threat of being arrested. One day the Secretary of HHS decides women should have free birth control, so now every insurance company in the country is required to provide it. No vote, no justification, no debate, no input from any non-Democrat.

The underlying philosophy of the Democrats and Republicans are vastly different. Democrats do not respect the constitution.
LOL thanks for the laugh of the day!
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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The Democrats are.

See, Republicans don't want to "control abortion rights". They want to ban abortion as being murder. Very different things. You can disagree that abortion is murder, but you can't fairly say that someone who believes abortion is murder isn't justified in restricting it.
I can fairly say that they're short-sighted weenbags, though.

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When it comes to Democrats the story is very different. They simply want control. There's not even a pretense of it being otherwise. The Democrats know better how you should live your life and they will force you to do things their way upon threat of being arrested
Actually, if anything...

The GOP are telling people how they should live out their lives by saying that since they believe that contraception is immoral, access to it should be limited to people who obviously believe that it is not immoral.

No one is trying to force you to use contraception if you don't want to, though I'd beg of you to consider it.

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One day the Secretary of HHS decides women should have free birth control, so now every insurance company in the country is required to provide it. No vote, no justification, no debate, no input from any non-Democrat.
One day, the government realizes that private enterprises think that they are above the United States Constitution and point out that they're not, and a bunch of idiots start peeing their pants over it.

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The underlying philosophy of the Democrats and Republicans are vastly different. Democrats do not respect the constitution.
Heh.

Hey, look, a constitutional right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:31 AM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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I mean here's a group that not only votes themselves the power to dictate how other people live their lives, but also votes themselves other people's property. These people refer to their votes as "voting in their best interests." Really? It's in your best interest to use the government to control other people's lives and seize their private property? What gives you this divine right to rule over us like feudal lords? And then like Karl Marx, you people accuse your political opponents of what you do.

How else would you describe a group of people who votes away others' liberty while simultaneously voting themselves others' property? Greedy and selfish doesn't even scratch the surface.
Are you a solitary species? Because you're acting like one.
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:40 AM
 
Location: it depends
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I love it how we're using a fantasy as an allegory.

"I dunno why the goose keeps laying them eggs! It's magic! Don't mess with it!"

Well, how many golden eggs get kicked down to the average American?
The human species is how many generations old? And does the average American today live better than kings did just a few generations ago? Is the average American a subsistence farmer with a lifespan of 45 years as in the 1800's? Wouldn't anybody's great-grandfather be surprised at the progress of the average American?

But you are right, it really isn't magic. It is the power of generations of a free people in a somewhat or mostly free economy, living in a country founded on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, each acting to improve their own position, each needing to be of value to others in order to prosper.
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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How else would you describe a group of people who votes away others' liberty while simultaneously voting themselves others' property?
I would describe that as the inherent job of a legislature, no matter what the party designation of the individuals comprising it may be.

The issue is strictly which party is going to do less harm, all in all. And at this point, I think it's clearly the Dems.
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:49 AM
 
Location: North America
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I mean here's a group that not only votes themselves the power to dictate how other people live their lives, but also votes themselves other people's property. These people refer to their votes as "voting in their best interests." Really? It's in your best interest to use the government to control other people's lives and seize their private property? What gives you this divine right to rule over us like feudal lords? And then like Karl Marx, you people accuse your political opponents of what you do.

How else would you describe a group of people who votes away others' liberty while simultaneously voting themselves others' property? Greedy and selfish doesn't even scratch the surface.

Seriously??? The GOP never ever votes in it's own best interests?

Give me a break, and grow up.
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:55 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Warren Buffet and Jeffrey Immelt are Republicans?



Oh really? Last time I checked, the only elected officials who are calling for smaller government and fiscal responsibility are Republicans. All the while the Democrats are screaming that anyone opposed to their tyrannical big government, big spending agenda is a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot.
Exactly right!
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The United States has become the land of the Golden Rule.

Those that have the Gold make the rules.

That is just as it always has been. Only now the owners of the Gold can convince the non owners to vote for their own fleecing. Voting to support impoverished women and children is a great debate. Voting trillions to bail out financial market gamblers is a certainty. We are protecting all of you by giving this money away to the big losers. We are just protecting the owners of the Gold.

The Democrats, some of us anyway, are just trying to level the playing field and evening the odds so all of us have a reasonable chance at successfully pursuing happiness. Now the markets are rigged and the burden of taxation placed on the people that can ill afford it an removed from the gamblers that abuse their financial power.

We are not greedy but only want to stop the thieves that have infested the Great Temple of mammon on Wall Street.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:27 AM
 
Location: North America
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