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with hillary's plan she'll problem get all the doctors and drugs from china.. that should work really well...
LOL!!! scary but you might just be right hahahahaah
Oh...and I am a she. I may be a moderator, but not the mod for this particular forum and I am still a voting American with an opinion, born, bread and proud of it...can ya tell??? hahahahhahaha
But you are right, this is not a forum I frequent often as I might have troubles being nice on some topics.
EVERYONE, repeat EVERYONE has access to health CARE right now. What everyone wants is for someone to pay for every hang nail they get. And that is what is wrong with the system
Imagine this: You have health INSURANCE with, say, a $2000.00 deductible. What is going to happen: A) you will not run to the doctor (or ER) with every sniffle you get. B) You might, just might, start taking better care of yourself. C) You might see more of the low cost, mall type clinics cropping up where someone can get a checkup / physical for under a $100. These types of centers are beginning to show up all over the country.
What will happen to the cost of the insurance? Drop like a rock! Let insurance be used for catastrophic issues - not every day
BTW, more and more doctors are no longer taking insurance - COD only. Their office overhead drops a whole bunch and their office charges (per visits) also are declining.
Greatday, that's the option I want my taxes to pay for.
About ten years ago I went to the Doc for some allergy problems. That visit was the first time I'd been to a Doc in twenty years. A part of his first visit exam included a blood test which later concluded high cholesterol. My visit the next week started me on a statin, in addition to an ACE inhibitor for high blood pressure which was historic.
Fast forward about four years to office visit when he advised that henceforth I'd need to go to a clinic for the blood work (having been done in his office at annual visit). On inquiry, he explained that due to my deductible, $100 at the time, my insurance required the work to be done in the clinic. I promptly raised my deductible to $400 and continued to have the blood work done in his office. I still paid the $15 co-pay and got billed for about 50 bucks for drawing the blood. Insurance did pay for the actual test results. Crazy bastards.
Fast forward about three years and now I have to make office visit twice a year, due to insurance requirements and by now my deductible is $1000 annual. Otherwise, same as above. And I had to admit to taking an aspirin daily and doing some exercise. All this while I had 'drugs my mail' for about ten or fifteen bucks a month per prescription. Life was good.
Finally early '06, I left that job and haven't worked much since, but no insurance. So, I visit a clinic once a year, was about $79 bucks last year and another $150 for the blood work. Since I was paying cash I did get a discount. Samething Doc was doing. And I pay for the statin and ACE inhibitor out of pocket for which I can only say, thanks for WalMart. The price was about $149 a month, with WalMart more like $89.
Bottom line, everyone's gonna have to go to the Doc someday for something, be it a clinic or private office. Everyone should pay something, according to ability, as conditions warrant.
Maybe Clinton should relabel her plan to "a Homeland security preemptive measure to universally prepare us for an Al Queda planned bird flu, small pox or anthrax outbreak". Then Haliburton can get a piece of the action and all their supporters in Washingtom will go along with it
LOL!!! scary but you might just be right hahahahaah
Oh...and I am a she. I may be a moderator, but not the mod for this particular forum and I am still a voting American with an opinion, born, bread and proud of it...can ya tell??? hahahahhahaha
But you are right, this is not a forum I frequent often as I might have troubles being nice on some topics.
bah, you got me and with all this APA style of writing I keep getting drilled into my head.. I try to be gender neutral, but today is Monday and that's my excuse....
and only a fool would believe that china wouldn't play an important role in anything she did.. all those chinese "contributors" are not a coincidence...
I support taking care of those that cannot help themselves, but I'd really like to know what percentage of society that really is, incapable of truly taking care of business.. I'm talking of those with diseases or ailments that truly cause a cessation of ability to be a productive member of society. In as much as it warmed my loins to hear Hillsbills speech about saving the society from the ills of modern medicine, what in the universe would make a logical person think another Government entitlement program would do what it intended to, at the projected cost, and would provide what it promised? And why should employers, taxpayers, or any other citizen pay for it? I'm thinking America was founded, by and large, by folks that came here from other Countries to make a better life for themselves and their families, and were willing to work to do it by working hard. Independence is not a terribly difficult concept to grasp.
I support taking care of those that cannot help themselves, but I'd really like to know what percentage of society that really is, incapable of truly taking care of business.. I'm talking of those with diseases or ailments that truly cause a cessation of ability to be a productive member of society. In as much as it warmed my loins to hear Hillsbills speech about saving the society from the ills of modern medicine, what in the universe would make a logical person think another Government entitlement program would do what it intended to, at the projected cost, and would provide what it promised? And why should employers, taxpayers, or any other citizen pay for it? I'm thinking America was founded, by and large, by folks that came here from other Countries to make a better life for themselves and their families, and were willing to work to do it by working hard. Independence is not a terribly difficult concept to grasp.
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton announced a $110 billion health care reform plan Monday that would require all Americans to have health insurance.
"People are dying because they couldn't get the care they needed when they were sick," says Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Clinton unveiled her plan during a high-profile speech at a hospital in the key campaign state of Iowa, surrounded by supporters, American flags and campaign banners.
"Here in America people are dying because they couldn't get the care they needed when they were sick."
"I'm here today because I believe it is long past time that this nation had an answer," Clinton said. "I believe America is ready for change."
Ah, what about those who do not want health insurance?? What about those that do not have employers - how is her plan going to force them to pay??
An "option" is OK, but not a "requirement." Next will come the "required" vaccines. Thanks but no thanks.
I'm fully covered by my employer. Even so, I don't wanna go any near an American doctor... or any doctor for that matter... unless absolutely necessary. Don't know how they can live with themselves. Oh, well, everybody's gotta make a living. Sometimes I'm disgusted with the hypocrisy of what I'm doing, too, but at least this kind of damage is not so significant. Or perhaps it is... depending how you look at it.
If health care is a "right", what do people living in some third world, poverty-stricken African nation do?
What they do is die at a much younger age than people living in more advanced nations do. Depending on the African nation, they die 20 to 30 years sooner on average.
I support taking care of those that cannot help themselves, but I'd really like to know what percentage of society that really is, incapable of truly taking care of business.. I'm talking of those with diseases or ailments that truly cause a cessation of ability to be a productive member of society. In as much as it warmed my loins to hear Hillsbills speech about saving the society from the ills of modern medicine, what in the universe would make a logical person think another Government entitlement program would do what it intended to, at the projected cost, and would provide what it promised? And why should employers, taxpayers, or any other citizen pay for it? I'm thinking America was founded, by and large, by folks that came here from other Countries to make a better life for themselves and their families, and were willing to work to do it by working hard. Independence is not a terribly difficult concept to grasp.
You actually pulled infor from a place that "anybody can input data?" Anybody can input data to to wik. You can change it, you can manipulate it, you can change it to what you want. So nobody listense to Wipa barf bag.
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I may be a moderator, but not the mod for this particular forum and I am still a voting American with an opinion, born, bread and proud of it...can ya tell??? hahahahhahaha 
