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Old 06-08-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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[quote=crbcrbrgv;24655222]It's not liberalism that is killing CA. It is government ineptitude.

Using your argument, I could easily state "Why do conservatives **** and moan about Obama's record while simultaneously claiming he hasn't done anything in 4 years even though doing nothing is exactly what conservatives believe will fix the country?"

The only difference would be my argument would be cogent, yours not.[/quote]


Typical liberal attitude.

And who do you think runs the government in California? It sure isn't conservatives. And you are correct. Liberals are inept.
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Old 06-08-2012, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It's not liberalism that is killing CA. It is government ineptitude.

Using your argument, I could easily state "Why do conservatives **** and moan about Obama's record while simultaneously claiming he hasn't done anything in 4 years even though doing nothing is exactly what conservatives believe will fix the country?"

The only difference would be my argument would be cogent, yours not.
Perhaps it would have been better to point a finger at the "Democratic party," not liberalism. But generally the states that are having the most problems are strong blue states like CA, NY, and IL.

As for your "cogent argument," I've never heard any conservatives say what you attribute to them, so I'd say it's more of a hallucination than a 'cogent argument.'
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Old 06-08-2012, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Perhaps it would have been better to point a finger at the "Democratic party," not liberalism. But generally the states that are having the most problems are strong blue states like CA, NY, and IL.

As for your "cogent argument," I've never heard any conservatives say what you attribute to them, so I'd say it's more of a hallucination than a 'cogent argument.'
Oh? Texas had a $27 billion dollar deficit and chose to slash services.

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he spending plan calls for a 13% hit to public education and a 7.6% drop in higher education support. Among the cuts, funding for pre-K Early Start programs would be slashed, and four community colleges would be closed.

Such a drastic decline in public education support could be problematic because it would drop the education budget below a level mandated by the state, and force the legislature to change the law.

Health and human services would see funding plummet by nearly a quarter, while government services would fall by almost the same percentage.

Nearly 9,300 government jobs would be eliminated and Medicaid providers would see a 10% rate reduction. Fewer residents would receive meal deliveries and services to keep them in their homes. Some 60,000 students would lose financial aid for college.

Funding for defending the poor in court would drop by 15%. And the department that supervises and supports parolees would by cut by nearly 21%.
Other 'Red" states with budget problems include:

Alabama....$188 million...2.6%
Kentucky...$190 million...2.1%
Louisiana...$471 million...5.7%

NY has a shortfall of only 0.6%.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=711

It has nothing to do with red or blue. Money is always green.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:07 PM
 
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The only reason they got budget problems is to get more money out of people. They are all playing the same game. Seems to be working since all the CAFRs I have seen seem to be showing revenue increases.

Apparently, Wisconsin can't seem to be bothered with actually verifying ballots either.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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Perhaps it would have been better to point a finger at the "Democratic party," not liberalism. But generally the states that are having the most problems are strong blue states like CA, NY, and IL.
Maryland, Vermont, and Massachusetts all have low unemployment rates.
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Old 06-08-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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This is amazing. Voters are finally realizing exactly how much the PSEU steal from the taxpayers.

Ballot measures to cut pensions for city workers score landslide wins in San Diego, San Jose - The Washington Post

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Voters in two major California cities overwhelmingly approved cuts to retirement benefits for city workers in what supporters said was a mandate that may lead to similar ballot initiatives in other states and cities buried under mounting pension obligations.

Public employee unions that aggressively fought the measures weren’t able to overcome the simple message supporters used to attract voters in San Diego and San Jose: Pensions for city workers are unaffordable and more generous than many private companies offer. The result is reduced public services in the form of such things as limited hours at public libraries and unfilled potholes.
The incestuous relationship of the democrats and public sector unions must come to an end. These lucrative, lavish contracts in exchange for political support is corrupt and must stop.

Without union money, the democrats are in serious trouble.
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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In addition to the city of North Las Vegas claiming emergency status to relieve themselves of the excessive burdens of the public sector unions, I found this in todays LVSJ.

Three firefighters had been on leave for falsifying their sick leave but have been reinstated with pay. This is a short "must read". The city of Las Vegas was one of the hardest hit by foreclosure and the unemployment rate is much higher than the national average.

Second firefighter reinstated with pay in sick leave case - News - ReviewJournal.com

You would think these union thugs would take a hint and at least get rid of some of their biggest trouble makers to save face.

They will also be voting on whether to raise taxes for education while only 40% of the staff actually teach.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The incestuous relationship of the democrats and public sector unions must come to an end. These lucrative, lavish contracts in exchange for political support is corrupt and must stop.

Without union money, the democrats are in serious trouble.
Without corporate and billionaire superpacs the Republicans are in serious trouble. Why do you accept the incestuous relationship between corporations and the Republican Party while denounce the relationship between the Democrats and unions?

It seems to me that unions fight for their working class members and gains that union workers win filter to non-union workers. That's how we got weekends off. While fighting for the interests of corporations -- such overturning minimum wage and child age work laws, encouraging foreign outsourcing and reducing worker safety protections works against the majority of working Americans.

Moreover, unions are the only political funding on the other side the corporate money game. Weaken unions and corporations have a virtual monopoly in political donations and thus will effectively choose elected representatives. That's very bad for democracy.
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Wealthy Republicans are spending huge sums of money to turn our anger and frustration at the destruction of the middle class against each other instead of against the rich and powerful.
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Without corporate and billionaire superpacs the Republicans are in serious trouble. Why do you accept the incestuous relationship between corporations and the Republican Party while denounce the relationship between the Democrats and unions?

Amazing you can't SEE the difference. Corporations and those evil rich individuals are using their OWN money to support causes and individuals that share their values and issues. The unions are paid by the taxpayer, the contracts are negotiated by the very same people the unions turn around and funnel money to for political campaigns. And of course, there is an endless supply of taxpayer money. Big difference.

It seems to me that unions fight for their working class members and gains that union workers win filter to non-union workers. That's how we got weekends off. While fighting for the interests of corporations -- such overturning minimum wage and child age work laws, encouraging foreign outsourcing and reducing worker safety protections works against the majority of working Americans.

The unions NO LONGER represent the middle class or workers for that matter. All they care about is getting as much from the taxpayer for their members, regardless of whether or not they deserve it, and retaining power and influence. They had an important role in the past, now all they are is an arm of the democrat party.

Moreover, unions are the only political funding on the other side the corporate money game. Weaken unions and corporations have a virtual monopoly in political donations and thus will effectively choose elected representatives. That's very bad for democracy.
They should of thought of that when hitching their wagon exclusively to the democrat party.
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