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Old 06-18-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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Hell, yeah, let Detroit go bankrupt. And Philly. And CA.

If they can't get their sheet together, let 'em die!

Good riddance!
The POTUS can't say that!
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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I would say that both have changed their positions on issues, though Romney has changed his positions more than Obama.
Obama has changed his positions so much, that even left wingers are calling him Bush.. Thats bad...
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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Obama has changed his positions so much, that even left wingers are calling him Bush.. Thats bad...
They're not calling him Bush, they're saying he continued Bush foreign policies. In a way that is true, but Obama didn't run as a dove on national security, he ran as a hawk.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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They're not calling him Bush, they're saying he continued Bush foreign policies. In a way that is true, but Obama didn't run as a dove on national security, he ran as a hawk.
Actually Obama ran on keeping america out of other peoples business and not interferring with the soverty of other nations.

He also ran on cutting the deficits, going through the budgets, line by line, closing Gitmo, and so many other issues that he's flip flopped on, that I cant believe you even stand here and deny it.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Obama has changed his positions so much, that even left wingers are calling him Bush.. Thats bad...
I'm not ok with Obama changing his views on a lot of things except gay marriage. I think that was admirable. Are you cool with Mitt changing his on a variety of issues from abortion to the bail out to global warming?
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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I'm not ok with Obama changing his views on a lot of things except gay marriage. I think that was admirable. Are you cool with Mitt changing his on a variety of issues from abortion to the bail out to global warming?
So you are admitting that it is admirable to change your position based on your constituency and/or political expediency?

Obama was for Gay Marriage as an Illinois State Legislator out of a Liberal District.

Obama instantly changed his position to be against Gay marriage when he ran as a US Senator and had to appeal to the entire state.

Then Obama put out feelers and only flip flopped back to his original position when political expediency said it would help him out.

Flip flopping for political expediency is admirable you say? Then you can stop being a hypocrite and start ignoring Romney's flip flops. Romney was governor of liberal Massachusetts, then had to appeal to the Santorum-conservative types. That is no different than what Obama did with Gay Marriage.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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Actually Obama ran on keeping america out of other peoples business and not interferring with the soverty of other nations.

He also ran on cutting the deficits, going through the budgets, line by line, closing Gitmo, and so many other issues that he's flip flopped on, that I cant believe you even stand here and deny it.
Not true. He said if bin laden was in Pakistan we would go get him.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Payson, AZ
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Can you explain? The "Let Detroit Die" comment sort of opened my eyes. He was for the bail out at one time and then against it. And now he is taking credit for GM, Chrysler and Ford's re-emergence. I wouldn't call that evolving.
THIS is the difference between the two. Obama will at least acknowledge that he's evolved on issues. Romney tries to pretend that that's how he's always thought. The GM bailout is a perfect example of this. He's trying to claim that Obama did exactly what Romney called for!
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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THIS is the difference between the two. Obama will at least acknowledge that he's evolved on issues. Romney tries to pretend that that's how he's always thought. The GM bailout is a perfect example of this. He's trying to claim that Obama did exactly what Romney called for!
Nonsense. Democrats rarely call him out for flip flopping so he is able to ignore it. Obama has broken so many promises and has limited direct press questioning time more than any president post WWII so he doesn't face these questions.

Do you honestly think that Obama was evolving on gay marriage? He was for it, then he evolved against it, then he almost revolved for it again, but then rerevevolved back against it then finally rererevolved for it?

What about his position on coal that was oscillating back and forth more than a fan?

Keep letting him get away with broken promises and flip flops, be believing in the fairy tale that he evolves his positions. A sucker is born every minute.

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Old 06-18-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Obama has broken so many promises...
If he has, you should be happier, not sad. Unless, you liked his promises, which is highly unlikely, given your track record.
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