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Old 06-19-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Romney hasnt begun to discuss his economic plans in detail yet. So if you are saying this, you arent listening to the source, just repeating left wing talking points.

Presidents shouldnt have a problem going to war with our enemies.
Iran is not our enemy. Because they do not share our objective of global hegemony and corporate colonialism does not make them an enemy. If they are anyone's enemy it is Israel. Let Israel deal with them.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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Iran is not our enemy. Because they do not share our objective of global hegemony and corporate colonialism does not make them an enemy. If they are anyone's enemy it is Israel. Let Israel deal with them.
Under those terms, Lybia wasnt our enemy either..
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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Under those terms, Lybia wasnt our enemy either..
Nope. But their oil was important to Europe and the humanitarian crisis was significant. I certainly would have not had a problem with us staying out of it, but we did not. At least when we did get involved, to Obama's credit, it was in the proper measure and well executed. That is the difference between a neocon war monger (Romney) and a global strategist (Obama).
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:41 AM
 
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Yes. Iraq was a thoroughly stupid war,
See how your standards change? On minute its ok for Obama to do it, then its ok if you have UN authorization, and then its stupid when a Republican does it..
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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Nope. But their oil was important to Europe and the humanitarian crisis was significant. I certainly would have not had a problem with us staying out of it, but we did not.
Humanitarian crisis was a very valid concern for Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
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At least when we did get involved, to Obama's credit, it was in the proper measure and well executed.
Proper measure? He sent a few boats over to send missles into the country
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That is the difference between a neocon war monger (Romney) and a global strategist (Obama).
You have absolutely nothing at all to substantiate that at all. Furthermore, Obama said we should mind our own business, and not attack nations. I dont consider it a strategist to stand back and attack a nation unprovoked.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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See how your standards change? On minute its ok for Obama to do it, then its ok if you have UN authorization, and then its stupid when a Republican does it..
God, is this hard to follow?

The Iraq war wasn't stupid because it was a Republican ordering it, it was stupid because it was superfluous, lacked a clear aim, had no exit strategy and because the occupation was carried out in a horrendously incompetent manner. The fact that the person ordering it by all appearances is a remarkably stupid individual has nothing to do with his party affiliation, it appears ingrained in his personality.

So: Going by precedence, the President can in fact order a military operation. That power can be used in a competent or incompetent manner. And throwing around the idea of war with Iran to make a point is the act of a Presidential candidate who should discipline his thinking.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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God, is this hard to follow?

The Iraq war wasn't stupid because it was a Republican ordering it, it was stupid because it was superfluous, lacked a clear aim, had no exit strategy and because the occupation was carried out in a horrendously incompetent manner. The fact that the person ordering it by all appearances is a remarkably stupid individual has nothing to do with his party affiliation, it appears ingrained in his personality.

So: Going by precedence, the President can in fact order a military operation. That power can be used in a competent or incompetent manner. And throwing around the idea of war with Iran to make a point is the act of a Presidential candidate who should discipline his thinking.
Whats not hard to follow is you flip flopping and justifying any Democratic war while criticizing Republican ones, even when the Republican ones had UN and Congressional approval, steps you admit not needed, but said validates the actions.
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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So you think only Obama holds power to wage war on countries without Congressional approval?
Obama started a war?
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:11 PM
 
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why the outrage? this makes no sense.

Obama bombed Lybia until Momar was caught and killed like a wild pig.
When Republicans suggested this was an unconstitutional act, liberals everywhere said it was much ado about nothing.

Obama is currently bombing Pakistan with drone attacks, against that nations will and without congressional approval. Anti-war liberals are mum.... conservatives like me are happy.

Now liberals suggest that if Romney does it, it is wrong?


you guys need to find an argument against Mitt that doesnt involve hypocracy.
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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Obama started a war?
Obama has attacked numerous countries like Lybia, all of them are considered an act of war..
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