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The leader of Iran is a clone of the former President Bush. Waging war on Iran is like waging war on a nation with no real leader...kind of cowardly and opportunistic if you ask me. Why do we have a new breed of president that thinks waging war is akin to some sort of hostile corporate take over?
War is serious stuff...it's not a game to be played from the board room- people die on all sides---but I guess the overly entitled jerks don't care if there are collateral loses...kind of like thinking making people dead is the price of conducting business.
Congress used to be involved in these serious decisions to make sure that those intent on waging war were not doing it for personal reasons and for the intent of profit...NOW- those safe guards are out the window- prime example was Dick the oil man Cheney doing an oil grab in Iraq and hanging their old partner in crime Saddam....NO- the fact that someone makes a joke in the form of legitimizing plunder and calling it war....is - criminal- Criminal in the idea that to do it will cost thousands of American lives....What kind of leadership is that - who consider their citizens expendable?
Obama has attacked numerous countries like Lybia, all of them are considered an act of war..
There are many things that may be considered acts of war that are not actually wars and never go any further than a few missions. The US is not at war with Libya. Clinton bombed a few countried back in the day too, but we were never at war with any of them at the time.
Oh and this comment was to suck up the the Jewish American vote...."don't worry- I will blow up Iran if you vote for me" - Jeeezzz so transparently stupid...Good God where do these jerks come from? Romney must believe that everyone is stupid- You would think that his stereo typing of Jews being super brains and brilliant in the manufacture of fiat money...would have come to an end when the great wizard ALLAN GREENSPAN..tossed his hands up in the air and declared that he can not keep making something out of nothing forever...The candidates are dated.
The Iraq war wasn't stupid because it was a Republican ordering it, it was stupid because it was superfluous, lacked a clear aim, had no exit strategy and because the occupation was carried out in a horrendously incompetent manner. The fact that the person ordering it by all appearances is a remarkably stupid individual has nothing to do with his party affiliation, it appears ingrained in his personality.
So: Going by precedence, the President can in fact order a military operation. That power can be used in a competent or incompetent manner. And throwing around the idea of war with Iran to make a point is the act of a Presidential candidate who should discipline his thinking.
The Iraq war didn't lack a clear aim at all. It was planned WELL before 9/11. In fact all the upcoming wars i.e. Syria, Iran, etc . have been on the books for decades. What liberal AND conservative dolts forget to remember is the government lies. And they lie to the people. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan were never about democracy, freedom, terrorism, children, revenge for 9/11 etc. It's all about economics. Oil, US dollar hegemony, rare earth elements, taking over a country's agricultural market by companies like Monsanto etc. See Americans like you fail miserably to realize that war is an ongoing perpetual product of the state. It's why we are taxed to death and why our country is in debt. War is about filling the coffers of corporations and the rich elites that own them, many of which reside in and operate within our own government. America has become nothing more than a tool for rich corporate bankers, Wallstreet, and private corporations who could care less about allegiance to any one group of people i.e. the American people or any one sovereign nation. All those young boys and girls who have died, or are coming back with limbs missing and PTSD are all dying for nothing. Yep! NOTHING! They don't sacrifice their lives for American people, the safety of our country or our Constitution. They are fighting and dying for corporate interests, big oil, dollar hegemony.
I don't think you nor I would have a huge problem with waging war for American prosperity and to keep our country on the path to economic superiority. That would mean all of us would be a lot more financially secure, and for generations to come. That is the history of the world. Gotta fight for resources, that's just life, even in nature. But the problem with our corrupt and vile government who are in bed with corporations is....the wealth bypasses Americans, especially the ones doing the fighting and making the sacrifices, and goes directly to the top echelons of the elite terrorists running our banks, corporations etc.
Obama has not started a full out war a quick get in get out mission is not a war
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81
There are many things that may be considered acts of war that are not actually wars and never go any further than a few missions. The US is not at war with Libya. Clinton bombed a few countried back in the day too, but we were never at war with any of them at the time.
You cant just make up definitions and pretend all of a sudden things arent true..
Legal definition of war: Open and declared conflict between the armed forces of two or more states or nations
Sucks for you that the conflict between the US and Lybia is considered WAR..
The fact that they didnt declare war, doesnt mean it isnt taking place constantly. Similar to a bank robber caught with red die on his clothes with a bag of money in one hand, gun in the other, running from the police, doesnt mean he didnt rob the bank because he claims he didnt.
While neither has the wisdom of Paul in this regard, of the two, Obama is one heck of a lot less likely to start another pointless war than is Romney whose advisers are the same as that war mongering Bush.
Some of Romney's handlers are Right Wing Extremists according to Colin Powell.
You cant just make up definitions and pretend all of a sudden things arent true..
Legal definition of war: Open and declared conflict between the armed forces of two or more states or nations
Sucks for you that the conflict between the US and Lybia is considered WAR..
Actually, by your definition, it isn't. Sorta fails on the entire "declared" bit. And also rather depends on who is considered the recognized government of Libya at the time of outbreak of hostilities.
Of course, the insistence on "declared" status is a silly relic of old times - I don't think a formal declaration of war has been issued since WWII, and the conventions that regulate warfare certainly do not insist on one either. Complete technicality. The question of who's the legitimate government is interesting, though - and international consensus was that the NTC, rather than Gaddhafi, held that distinction.
Feel free to call it war if you wish - I for one take no issue to that. There was certainly a civil war.
I don't think you nor I would have a huge problem with waging war for American prosperity and to keep our country on the path to economic superiority.
Speak for yourself, there. Self-determination, yep. Prosperity? Sorry, but that does not meet my "Should nice young men lose their genitals to landmines for this?" test.
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