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Old 06-19-2012, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Obama has not started a full out war a quick get in get out mission is not a war
Hilarious! When obama went into Libya WITHOUT congressional approval, he said it would be "days, not weeks", which turned into MONTHS. Yeah, quick in and out.

Where in the world do you get your news?
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:08 PM
 
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You cant just make up definitions and pretend all of a sudden things arent true..

Legal definition of war: Open and declared conflict between the armed forces of two or more states or nations

Sucks for you that the conflict between the US and Lybia is considered WAR..

The fact that they didnt declare war, doesnt mean it isnt taking place constantly. Similar to a bank robber caught with red die on his clothes with a bag of money in one hand, gun in the other, running from the police, doesnt mean he didnt rob the bank because he claims he didnt.
lol, what? You just disproved your own position by stating that the definition of war does not match the actions Obama took as president against Libya. Thanks!
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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a military engagment is a military engagment.
A military engagement is not necessarily a war.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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Actually, by your definition, it isn't. Sorta fails on the entire "declared" bit. And also rather depends on who is considered the recognized government of Libya at the time of outbreak of hostilities.

Of course, the insistence on "declared" status is a silly relic of old times - I don't think a formal declaration of war has been issued since WWII, and the conventions that regulate warfare certainly do not insist on one either. Complete technicality. The question of who's the legitimate government is interesting, though - and international consensus was that the NTC, rather than Gaddhafi, held that distinction.

Feel free to call it war if you wish - I for one take no issue to that. There was certainly a civil war.
The UN was involved, the UN authorized an attack, Obama joined in the attack, it was DECLARED...
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:20 PM
 
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lol, what? You just disproved your own position by stating that the definition of war does not match the actions Obama took as president against Libya. Thanks!
Wrong again. Obama turned the activity over to the UN, but the UN doesnt take any action without declaring necessary action.

here is their declarations
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/20...htm#Resolution
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:23 PM
 
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The UN was involved, the UN authorized an attack, Obama joined in the attack, it was DECLARED...
By whom? Show me the declaration of war. Should be easy.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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Wrong again. Obama turned the activity over to the UN, but the UN doesnt take any action without declaring necessary action.

here is their declarations
Security Council Approves ‘No-Fly Zone’ over Libya, Authorizing ‘All Necessary Measures’ to Protect Civilians, by Vote of 10 in Favour with 5 Abstentions
Ehm - that's a resolution.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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He would have to consult his attorneys.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:35 PM
 
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By whom? Show me the declaration of war. Should be easy.
One doesnt need a declaration of war, in order to have war actions.

Pearl Harbor was bombed and there was no Declaration of war
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Ehm - that's a resolution.
Resolutions declaring action..
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